Mace and Dooku would usually be a very good team, but not in this battle. Mace or Dooku would be a good match for Malak. Revan is just too good of a deulist for either of them though. I mean, I'm sure Dooku or Mace could hold their own for a while, but then Revan would overcome them. Like I usually say, jeedai or sith from the movies or NJO are just outclassed by most KOTOR era or ancient jeedai or sith.
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I couldent agree with that, the future jedi could not be outclassed by sith from the pre star wars times, its like saying soldiers with muskets and rakes could kill our soldiers nowadays. The jedi have evolved and are stronger than sith in KOTOR, maybe sum were very powerful, but Dooku and Mace would take revan. Dooku is a classy elegant duelist and mace is a deadly duelist, revan is good but he cant take both unless he had some help, and malak would balance the fight in some way.
Maybe i shouldve added Bandon instead of malak.
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revan would defenitly kill whoever he is fighting and so would malak but if malak loses his fight revan would just fight and kill whoever won against malak.
I couldent agree with that, the future jedi could not be outclassed by sith from the pre star wars times, its like saying soldiers with muskets and rakes could kill our soldiers nowadays. (No it's not, those soldiers have different technology and training, theres no way the ancient jeedai and the current jeedai have different technology, both have lightsabers and both have the Force. The reason ancient jeedai are so much better than current ones is because they were trained and lived during periods of war, with the Sith and the Mandalorians. The jeedai of the movies did not. It's like putting reserves of today up against Vietnam War veterans in their prime. The reserves would be owned due to lack of experience and knowledge on the battlefield)
The jedi have evolved and are stronger than sith in KOTOR, maybe sum were very powerful, but Dooku and Mace would take revan. (Evolved and are stronger? Sounds like exagerated claims by you, how have the jeedai eveolved or become stronger for that matter? And Dooku and Mace together perhaps could take Revan, but you're forgetting Malak.)
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Frontline battle experince has nothing to do when you fight an opponent with a lightsaber, war will not help you in fighting a jedi, they were trained to fight, well good, the jedi were trained also. Battlefield knowledge has no effect against an opponent.
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Are you serious? I'm waisting my time arguing here. Someone who was trained to fight and grew up fighting and someone who was trained to fight, but lived in times of peace are very different in terms of skill. Besides, because a war is going on doesn't mean theres only battlefield fights, look at the clone wars, there were tons of one on one duels there.
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Mace and Dooku both increased their skills due to the Clone War. Just the fact Mace survived the Battle of Geonisis proves how strong he is because only the best Jedi survived that battle.
its not like they were fighting a whole bunch of other jedi or sith? they did exactly what the movie jedi did, fight troops and other worthless pplz. And dont tell me that they lived in times of peace, there was wars b4 TPM and even b4 those wars, war halted in TPM and then started again in AOTC then continued into ROTS. So basicly nobody here has the advantage over each other. Both fought in war, Both fought sith/jedi and evil villains.
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Mace and Dooku perhaps the two best lightsaber duelists of their time would indeed be a formidable team. But you are comparing them to two ancient Sith Lords both who were greatly aclaimed for their dueling skills. Plus your putting them up against, Revan who by himself would put up a good fight and kill at least Windu or Dooku before one of them managed to kill him (if they could at all). Add Malak to the team and its overkill, Revan and Malak fought together all the time during the Mandalorian Wars and without a doubt learned to combine their abilites and make a great team. Revan and Malak would win this without a doubt.
Is this what you call a well thought out post? Worthless people? Since when are Mandalorians worthless people? And Mace and Dooku did live in times of peace you moron the peace only ended with the start of the Clone Wars. Also, Revan killed hundreds of Jedi maybe into the thousands and Malak as well so what is the crap you pulled out of your ass that they never fought anyone worthwhile? As if the Mandalorians weren't enough.
If Count Dooku and Mace Windu both teamed up against Malak, then the Sith Lord would fall in a matter of seconds. However, Revan is one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time (or so we've been told) so it is possible that he may overcome the two on his own.
But Count Dooku is older and - technically - more experienced with the usage of a lightsaber than Darth Revan, though perhaps not in real battle. I doubt that Revan would own them - but he would prevail in the end - Malak's death would only assist him, really.
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Not only are Malak and Revan amazingly skilled, but they are a master-and-apprentice pair, so I think they will fight better together, like Anakin and Obi-Wan from ROTS. Windu and Dooku would probably not be quite as communicative, and that would create a problem in the fight. Then the effectiveness Malak's and Revan's pure skills would probably be heightened and dominate the battle. That is how I see it, though that is only opinion.
Dispit is right, Malak and Revan would both win from their opponents, but as master and apprentice and a great fighting team they would be far more powerful then the opposition.
Okay, Zodiac... You must be the smartest idiot here. And I mean that in a nice way, really. You pointed out that, and I quote: "Just the fact Mace survived the Battle of Neonisis proves how strong he is because only the best Jedi survived that battle."
- Anakin survived that battle.
- Padawan Barriss Offee survived that battle.
- Kit Fisto, whom Sidious killed in three swings, survived that battle.
- PADME, a regular person, survived that battle.
Zodiac, your logic is officially PWN3D. So sit down and let the real brains tackle these threads.
Now, Ackbar, I am less then pleased with your reasons here... Let me help you on the path to truth...
- Dooku, though an amazing duellist and former Jedi master, is not able to overcome a true Sith lord. IF he could, Sidious would have been dead, and the Emperor in ROTJ would have had a beard and been called "Saruman" on weekends.
- Mace Windu is good, but he is not that good. Many people hear argue that Mace could NOT have defeated Sidious in an honest battle and that it was all a farse. Now I'm not here to argue that, yea or nay, but I will say that if that is true, Mace has a much smaller chance of defeating Malak or especially Revan. Also, the idea that Malak would fall in seconds to Dooku and Mace is said out of ignorance. Dooku's style is more stattic, with minimal movement, while Mace Windu's style is open and kinetic, involving lots of space and such. Malak, Revan's right hand man -above- hundreds of dark jedi and Sith, could more than put up a fight with both of them, especially long enough to Revan to beat the living snot out of Dooku and Revan.
*sigh* Akbar, sadly, you deserve your self-proclaimed title, except maybe spell it NOOB. Frontline experience does nothing in a battle? What is that? Would you rather fight a guy who spent twenty years practicing fencing in a dojo or a guy who was the most famed duelist of his time and killed dozens of people with his swordsmanship? Or here's one; would you rather go into a life-or-death fight with ten years of training or ten years of frontline combat? I thought so.
And the Jedi/Sith of KOTOR time fought the same as Jedi in SW times? Please. The Jedi of SW times fought droids and stormtroopers. The big one's fought a Sith Apprentice, and the two best fought a Sith Lord and lost. The Jedi of KOTOR times fought dozens, if not hundreds of apprentices on maybe Maul's or Assaj's level, a few Dark Jedi/Sith Masters on Dooku's level, and a couple of people on Sidious' level. Revan and Malak were above even this.
P.S.- It's called the JEDI CIVIL WAR for a reason.
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