Grey Fox wins this one, the reason why is that Vamp can't fight anything that he can't touch. The thing about where he made Raiden stand still won't work in this fight because Fox is Cyborg and it won't work on him. Plus, Frank is hella lot cooler than Vamp. I give Vamp one thing though, is that it takes a considerable amount of damage to defeat him. He won't last though. Taking into account that Grey Fox annihilates most of his foes with only a slash from his kitana.
Why would it not work? It freezes his body, and he still has his body left, it is just covered by an exo-skelleton. And Vamp is still pretty invincible, and very strong. Snake was able to PUNCH Grey Fox so he felt it through his suit, Vamp was much, much above Snake in strenght.
He would be able to knock him unconcscious and carv him up.
Vamp can also predict Fox's movment, and know where he is going to shoot, cut or run.
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Raiden punches effected Vamp either. Fox can avoid these freezing things if even Raiden could. It took weight of metal gear rex to kill Fox, and he stayed concious untill he died.
Yeah I died during that fight too.... There is nothing to prove how they fought, all we saw was Vamp bowing to him, Raiden could have shot him right there, he was at the exact same spot when he fell into the water as he was just before......
And it freezes the body, I don't think he will be immune to it, and dodging it could be hard too... Vamp is at least Fox equal in speed, thing is though that Vamp outnumbered both Raiden and Snake in speed whilst Fox did not.... And it is not yet possible to know if he is killable.
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Still it was possible for Raiden to dodge those things. Fox moves as fast or even faster than Vamp and MANY times faster than Raiden. Dodging these things wont be a problem. And as been mentioned before i doubt Vamp's knifes would get through Fox's armor.
And fight between Raiden and Vamp surely lasted some time because otherwise it wouldn't have been concidered a fight at all and Vamp dodges bullets so it would take Raiden some efforts to get him. Vamp remained at the same place simply because during the fight he jumped in the water for a couple of time, so Raiden could've shot him at one of these times.
I guess, but he didn't toss to many in-game because it would be to hard, so it would be harder now where he would throw them almost everywhere....... I don't know actually, Vamp ridicilousley outclassed Raiden in speed and all the other soldiers as well, he even outclassed Snake which not even Fox did....
Snake punched through Fox armour and made him gasp for air, Vamp almost took Snake's hand in one strike and lifted him with one hand....
I guess it could be considered a fight, but we don't know how it was displayed at all. He was diving in that place a couple of times in gameplay, but at that moment he was standing on the water...I doubt he would stand on the water a couple of more times during the battle.... And as I said, he bowed to Raiden, from what we know he could have shot him when he lifted his head, apparently, Raiden had done this before (When Vamp didn't excpect him to shoot him in the basement with Fortune). And if it haden't been for the water, Raiden would have lost most likley..
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This is a very close match. I would just about give it to Fox. It's true that we don't know how or whether Vamp can die, but the whole point of this thread is who would win in a fight, and Fox doesn't have to kill him to defeat him, so the fact that it seems Vamp is pretty much invincible doesn't help him at all in this scenario. I also believe that two other of Vamp's great feats would prove to be useless in this scenario. Firstly, Fox is too fast and agile for Vamp's stun/freeze to work on him IMO, and secondly, Fox uses a blade, so while Vamp's great perception (how he predicts his opponent's movements) worked well on Raiden, he use a gun and Vamp simply had to dodge his bullets, whereas Fox would be able to close down on Vamp (because IMO his speed and agility is superior) and take him out with his blade, which Vamp would not be able to dodge.
However Vamp isn't completely outmatched here. His superior sense of smell would pretty much grant Fox's stealth camoflage useless, and while it may seem like I believe Fox would slaughter him, I believe it would be close.
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Where does it say that he only has to defeat? And even if it does, if someone keeps rising after being beaten down that is not what I call defeat....
IMO they are equal in speed, and I do belive that he would be able to trap him with that freeze thing. I mean, if he is equal with him in speed, he only has to toss it near him, and it's not like Fox knows what it is and is going to jump around the place all the time.....
I say it is much easier to predict how someone swings a sword then how someone shoots a gun...You barley move your hand while using a gun, in the sword you need to use your whole arm... Vamp says himself that he reads the muscles and the body's movement.
But I gotta go to sleep now, so I'll be back tomorrow I guess....
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