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White Phoenix VS HOM Scarlet Witch
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Kallark-Kent
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 White Phoenix VS HOM Scarlet Witch

Who Wins?

No PIS, CIS, Prep, Fight in an empty dimension.

Full power of the chaos wave Witch.

Debate away!


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 Re: White Phoenix VS HOM Scarlet Witch

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Who Wins?

No PIS, CIS, Prep, Fight in an empty dimension.

Full power of the chaos wave Witch.

Debate away!

I knew it was gonna happen sooner or later big grin

Wanda takes this easily 10/10

Wanda destroyed/recreated the 616 universe numerous times with ease

White Crown has never accomplished such a feat with 1 universe, let alone several universes


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We were discussing it in the HOM SW thread, might as well make it.


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I knew it was gonna happen sooner or later big grin

Wanda takes this easily 10/10

Wanda destroyed/recreated the 616 universe numerous times with ease

White Crown has never accomplished such a feat with 1 universe, let alone several universes


We are talking about the matriach of the Phoenix force at full power! She has held the universe in the palm of her hand and manipulated 616's timeline so that scott would be too happy and wouldn't blame himself for Jean's death and contained sublime in the process. wanda would get owned by Jean. A multidimensional destroyer versus a universe manipulator? I think the universe is quiet obvious.
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We are talking about the matriach of the Phoenix force at full power! She has held the universe in the palm of her hand and manipulated 616's timeline so that scott would be too happy and wouldn't blame himself for Jean's death and contained sublime in the process. wanda would get owned by Jean. A multidimensional destroyer versus a universe manipulator? I think the universe is quiet obvious.


HOM Witch remade the timelime/universe multiple time, she wiped out 90% of mutants and Now she has full control.

Wanda 10/10.


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We are talking about the matriach of the Phoenix force at full power! She has held the universe in the palm of her hand and manipulated 616's timeline so that scott would be too happy and wouldn't blame himself for Jean's death and contained sublime in the process. wanda would get owned by Jean. A multidimensional destroyer versus a universe manipulator? I think the universe is quiet obvious.

please just not another phoenix fanboy. no expression


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We are talking about the matriach of the Phoenix force at full power! She has held the universe in the palm of her hand and manipulated 616's timeline so that scott would be too happy and wouldn't blame himself for Jean's death and contained sublime in the process. wanda would get owned by Jean. A multidimensional destroyer versus a universe manipulator? I think the universe is quiet obvious.
Your trying to fool the wrong person with that claim..... Phoenix merely healed a wounded universe, she NEVER has destroyed or warped a universe on pannel as Wanda has, the Phoenix in any form's feats are nothing to Wanda's, prove me wrong.

go try and fool people elsewhere roll eyes (sarcastic)


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We are talking about the matriach of the Phoenix force at full power! She has held the universe in the palm of her hand



That was just a visualization of the Universe, NOT the actual Universe.

There were a bunch of low end Avatars there and all of them were the same size as Jean. Come one, those Avatars get handled all the time.

So they can hold Universes too?


Here's the Scan with Jean and the visualization of the Universe that represents the events of Here Comes Tomorrow (the Future that is NOW)

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Phoenix is CLUELESS as to WHAT this is, or WHAT to do with it.


Jean says, "Did I have to FIX something that was dying?

What is it?"


It tells her, "A badly wounded Orphan Universe...Phoenix work"


Fine.....Now WHAT does that mean?....Jean Grey DOESN'T KNOW either.


AM I LYING? LOOK AT THE SCAN!!!


"But...but WHAT's that supposed to mean?

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Phoenix asked, "but what's that supposed to mean?"

AFTER She was told it's a "A badly wounded Orphan Universe...Phoenix work"



Now, it TELLS Phoenix WHAT THAT MEANS,


"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness", ect..ect..


Is it saying,

"This Universe needs to be Fixed anyway?" NO!

"This Universe is injured or damged and needs to be repaired?" NO!

"This Universe needs a Future? NO!

So WHAT does it SAY WHEN Jean ASKED "but what's that supposed to mean?"

"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness", ect..ect..
(This is the OUTCOME of Here Comes Tomorrow)

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NOW, to Change that OUTCOME, Phoenix did NOT manipulate the Universe.

AM I LYING?


Here is GRANT MORRISON'S and company telling us HOW Phoenix CHANGED that Future.

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Just like in the Comic book, which anyone can see as plain as day.


She actually went to the past and forced Scott to be with Emma
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In order to PREVENT the events of "Here Comes Tomorrow"


Jean had to change Scott's mind anout Emma in the Past to change that Timeline, Wanda changed the whole UNIVERSE'S Past on a Whim.


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and manipulated 616's timeline so that scott would be too happy and wouldn't blame himself for Jean's death and contained sublime in the process.


I just explained to you how it really happened.

Jean didn't manipulate anything, all Jean did was go into the Past and chnage Scott's mind about Emma.


That's what Grant Morrison and company made conclusive:
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This is from the last page of New X-Men issue #155, in the Questionnaires addressed to the Writers.


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wanda would get owned by Jean. A multidimensional destroyer versus a universe manipulator?


More like a Universal Destroyer and Re-Creator that was collapsing the Omni-verse without even knowing it,

versus

a being that has NEVER destroyed, remade or created a Universe.


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go try and fool people elsewhere roll eyes (sarcastic)


laughing laughing out loud laughing


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SW for teh winzors.

(also because I dislike Phoenix)
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Wanda doesn't need to take twists and turns to rearrange the Timeline.

Whatever she wishes, is.


Wanda changing the Universe's PAST on a Whim

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NEXT PANEL

the Universe, the Past, Present and Future has been REMADE
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AGAIN


"What's happening on 616"
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"Her ability to altar probability got Super charged"
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"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" (more than once she did it)
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"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"
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"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"
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continues in the next post...


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lmao at this point 60 % of Mr Master posts are to disprove phoenix's so called feats.
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Originally posted by jffxex1980
We are talking about the matriach of the Phoenix force at full power! She has held the universe in the palm of her hand and manipulated 616's timeline so that scott would be too happy and wouldn't blame himself for Jean's death and contained sublime in the process. wanda would get owned by Jean. A multidimensional destroyer versus a universe manipulator? I think the universe is quiet obvious.


Okay thisis my point, Mr M posted facts and scans disproving your claims. Yet you will not listen and ignore them.

This people is why I called them Phoenix Fanboys, cause no matter how much logic and common sense you show them it just dosen't sink in.

Wanda = Omniversal

Phoenix = Multiversal

Bye Bye Birdie!


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Okay thisis my point, Mr M posted facts and scans disproving your claims. Yet you will not listen and ignore them.

This people is why I called them Phoenix Fanboys, cause no matter how much logic and common sense you show them it just dosen't sink in.

Wanda = Omniversal

Phoenix = Multiversal

Bye Bye Birdie!
Phoenix has never been proven as even Multiversal.

The PF has been shown as being Universal at best wink


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I really don't know how extant talk so much crap when his head is up his ass. He must be gifted in that area.
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Originally posted by jffxex1980
I really don't know how extant talk so much crap when his head is up his ass. He must be gifted in that area.



Are you capable or acutally showing proof or feats or scans that havent already been disproven or is all you can do insults?

Your the type that gives Fanboys a bad name.


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Wanda's chaos wave was powerful indeed, but Meggan was able to halt it and she is one of the most underrated beings in marvel. Jamie pulled Rachel and Betsy to the white hot room because it was untouched by the wave. Betsy saw all her alternate counterparts in the white hot room (the heart of the Phoenix) and they seemed untouched by the wave that was apparently destroying their realities. Marvel doesn't pull these stories out of their from nowhere it takes time to make sure they keep things as close to continuity as possible, there is a reason they made sure Endsong happened before HOM, Phoenix would have posed a threat to the entire story. Wanda brought back every mutant who ever died, but she somehow neglected to bring back Jean, that and there was never any mention of her, except when Rachel and Betsy were in the white hot room.
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Wanda's power exteneds further then Phoenix's

Phoenix = Universal

Wanda = Omniversal

Her feats trump Phoenix's

As you say Jean was dead hence Wanda probably didn't take her into account when remaking things.

White hot room seems to be close to DCU's Vanishing Point, In that it exists outside of time and space and immune to time and reality alterations.

However, WCP is not.


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Wanda's power exteneds further then Phoenix's

Phoenix = Universal

Wanda = Omniversal

Her feats trump Phoenix's

As you say Jean was dead hence Wanda probably didn't take her into account when remaking things.

White hot room seems to be close to DCU's Vanishing Point, In that it exists outside of time and space and immune to time and reality alterations.

However, WCP is not.


http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotl...&fldAuto=60

I don't know why you have such animosity towards the PF.
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