raiden is just a guy that was trained to be like snake , and couldnt do it perfectly , solidus is a strong guy , but big boss is in another level of fighting .
Big Boss and Snake can beat Raiden. Raiden can beat Solidus. Solidus is the weakest guy right here.
Big boss and Solid Snake are the dominant ones here.
This is a good thread. needs more posts. Solidus' speed and abilities place him far above Solid and Big Boss. They can neither keep up with his speed or have a prayer of hitting him with any sort of weapon. Was seen when olga went to aim at him that his tentacles move fast enough to both knock the gun away and then grab her by the throat before she can effectively aim and fire. So, should be no problem for him to do the same to either Snake or Big Boss. Then zoom up, stab whoever is left and game over.
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I love when people don't read and just use their own unfounded beleifs to judge who will and will not win.
I showed how Solidus could take down Solid or Naked with no problem. They have no chance of hitting him with any weapon. He'll chop their heads off or crush their throats or do any of the million other ways he can can obliterate them.
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Pretty much! Solid is as good as they come, and Solidus for all his ability, is still neither faster, stronger or harder to hit than Gray Fox is. I think that if they are all fully equipped, Solid and Big Boss wins (seeing as Snake has stealth camoflauge and rocket launchers, etc, same with BB except Stealth camoflauge).
If they are just equipped with normal weaponry like guns and assault rifles, I can see BB losing to Solidus, and Solid (if by TS) beating him in a damn hardpressed battle. If this is BB by Portable Ops, he takes Raiden. Watch the trailer and all, he takes out someone that is roughly the speed of Gray Fox and Solidus, and dodges bullets from a machine gun for a long time on an open space. He's no Solid Snake, but I would put him around the 2 or 3 in the list of the best MGS characters...
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A>B>C logic. ALso, Plot-induced stupidity. Villains lose. Solidus, by all showings, is a master with both swords. His speed and strength are higher than Raiden's. He could have, quite frankly, cut down Raiden with ease. But, as is the game, the hero must prevail. That's how RPG villains who can destroy countries and planets lose to the band of heroes.
Also, Raiden was using a sword. Snake, as far as I know, is not. So, Solidus showed he could doge RPGs and machinegun fire as well as block them with his arms or swords. And who says Olga's aim/fire is any slower than Snake's...? I can't see how you can prove that unless you're saying he has better reflexes (which he may very well have ie. that stupid jumping over the missile iN Twin Snakes). But, still, if Snake has rockets, he fires them. Solidus dodges them. Snake is thus left with an opponent faster than him and no form of weapon except an empty rocket launcher. If he has a FAMAS or AK-74u, he still dies because Solidus deflected RAY's fire and it was definitely faster than a normal assault rifle.
And this is not even taking into account the snake-arms which have a couple different uses; such as range attacks by swipign or misssile or grabbing Snake/Big Boss.
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Funny how Raiden won by OUTSPEEDING Solidus. He made a quick step to the side while Solidus struck, and cut off his spine. You can't say that it is plot line, Raiden was a better swordfighter and that was proved, I don't see it getting any clearer than that.
But I do see your point, I'm thinking about sides....
Arguments for Snake!
And Snake dodgin a bullet while being unprepared speaks for good refelexes. And seeing as how Raiden dodged Solidus über Snake-arms, I don't see how Snake should not be able to dodge them.
And when did Solidus dodge rocket launchers? He dodged Snake's grenades, and fell down as well, (He had to make huge leaps to avoid it), and that is not a rocket launcher with homing ability.
And Snake's has alot of weapons except for the Stinger though! He has other weapons (he does have a HF blade in Acid, but whatever), and sure Solidus can parry all shots when fired directly at him, however if Snake does a similair expert move that Raiden did, or jumps over his head, he could fire at his head!
And Snake always beat's the faster, stronger and more durable person. Gray Fox is by all mean's a faster opponent and the stronger, and Solidus speed is only enhanced in quick bursts and dashes....
If Snake has all equipment, he can turn invisible, which is game over for Solidus!
Argument's for Solidus.
Well the thing is that I don't think Snake could easily penetrate his defences, even with his arm Solidus could defend against bullets from a machine gun, and with his two swords it is damn near impossible to penetrate! Although his quick bursts are effective, I don't see them doing a huge advantage against Snake, Raiden after all was not overthrown by these, and Snake is quicker to react from what we have seen. However, they are a good defence against things as grenades and bullets.
Though Solidus is deadly as hell in sword combat, Snake still had a stalemate with Gray Fox when he was wielding his sword, and got in a couple of strikes. But Solidus having two swords and a larger suit than Fox (whom with I don't think Solidus can be as easily tripped as Fox was), that gives a huge advantage.
Well it depends for me....
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Once Raiden does all Solidus did with his swords, then he's a better swordfighter than Solidus. He got in a lucky move. When Solidus lost the snake-arms, his speed was made double. All he had to do is use one burst and he could have easily skewered Raiden. He did not make that burst in the scene. He was using only feet and not the accelerator which makes no sense.
I said RPG - rocket-propeled grenade. And Snake's Stinge rmissiles have no chance of locking on Solidus. He is way too fast. Anyone who has used that weapon knows it slimitations. Solidus, given a good area to dasha bout in, will be impossible to hit with that thing unless Snake has ungodly amounts of luck.
That is the thing about Snake...by all accounts he should have died quite a lot against most of his opponents. Examples include Gre Fox. If Fox had wanted to, Snake would have been dead. That's beyond question.Fox's mobility and strength are above anything Snake could have handled. And how is he gonna jump over Solidus' head if Solidus has the snake-arms? One effortless strike and he's right back down.
No one said all equipment. So, who knows.
If BB can kill Raiden off then a 2-on-1 is their best chance against Solidus.
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That is not A>B>C logic, that's simple logic. Snake is better than Raiden in every way. Even Olga was able to block machine gunfire with her sword and her reflexes or speed aren't on Snake's level and Snake dodged bullets as well and he doesn't need any super-suit to do that. As for speed and weapon, Snake was able to dodge Gry Fox's sword who I believe is faster than Solidus, Solidus is only fast when he uses his suit engine (or whatever that thing is) in combat he is not faster than Snake, I actually believe Snake is faster and more agile. As for killing Rays, they were only copies of real MG Ray and weren't as good as original, Raiden was able to take few of them with only rocket launcher.
And Dodging Solidus swords or tantacles wont be a problem for Snake. Give him a gun and a knife I'm pretty sure he'll take Solidus down.
Fox WANTED to kill Snake, that is beyond the question. But he just couldn't.
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