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lovethemtigers
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AWE Plot Holes - A Place to Vent your Frustrations
We don't have to discuss...this is just a thread to let out our frustrations about what went wrong in AWE...
There are so many it's hard to know where to begin.
1) In DMC we learn that Cutler Beckett wants Jack's Compass so it can lead him to the chest that will give the heart of Davy so he can control Davy and thus control the sea....so he gets Will to go off to do his dirty work...he tells Will that he and Jack have left their marks on each other. We know that the mark Beckett left on Jack was the "P" pirate brand....but in AWE we never find out Why? and Where? and When? it happened..and we never found out what mark Jack left on Beckett.
2) In DMC we learn that Davy carved his heart out because the love of his life "a woman as harsh and changing and as untameable as the sea" did not honor his love in return and the pain of living with such sorrow was more than he could bear, so he carved his heart out and locked it away in a chest and began unleashing havoc on lost souls lost at sea...
But in AWE.....when Will stabs the heart, thanks to Jack, Bootstrap carves Will's heart out and puts it in a chest...but why? It doesn't make sense...it just doesn't....
some of these are not plotholes, so much, as they were things that just didn't jive....
Why did Gov. Swann have to be murdered...and it's just weird how he shows up in the after world......
What happened to Norrington. His part in AWE was just wasted. I hated the fact that he was murdered by Bootstrap...to what point and purpose????
Why is Jack's compass still not working in Davy's locker....because after DMC we know the reason was because of Elizabeth...but in AWE that doesnt seem to be the case anymore.....or so it would seem, until the very end.
Gosh, I know I may just be rambling. What else. I am just so frustrated with the way this movie turned out, I can hardly stand it...and it's not just that it didn't end j/e....there's many more issues than that...
When I first saw the leaked script last fall I was confident that it couldn't be right because it was so poorly done...and the sad thing about it....it was pretty much right on....sadly enough....
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lovethemtigers
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okay..the biggest plot hole of all....the curse and the carving out of the heart....
When Elizabeth talks to Bootstrap in the brig of the Dutchman he tells her that if Will stabs the heart than he is bound to be the Captain forever....and they can never be together......because the Dutchman must have a Captain and a heart....
and then when Will and Jack are discussing their plans Jack tells Will he is willing to stab the heart and Will tells him he must do the job of the Dutchman's captain or he get all tenacally like Jones......he must fairy lost souls into the after world......and he says "you're willing to stab your heart out..."
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Jul 13th, 2007 03:40 PM |
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so sorry if i didn't bother to read all that, will get to it eventually, i'm just tired right now that's all.
the most frustrating thing for me in there(including the plotholes and the poorly-written script that even though it's frustrating i still like it), is the oh-so ANTI-CLIMATIC Tia/Calypso scene.
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Jul 13th, 2007 03:52 PM |
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oh, and the lack of Norrington and Governor Swann! they're characters we've got to know already! why put too little of them in AWE? I'd rather have Sao Feng gone(sort of...)...
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Jul 13th, 2007 03:56 PM |
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tee_pirategirl
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I know what both of you mean.I wouldn't call the script 'poor' exactly but they made so many background stories in DMC and failed to cover all of them in AWE because instead of dedicating AWE to tying everything up (which I admit would be dull) they made MORE background stories...some were neccessary some weren't...
I have to say Tigers that I actually have an opinion on the whole carving Will's heart out thing. That was Davy's fault...after Calypso wasn't there when he came back he neglected his duty, carved his heart out and placed a new crurse on the FD. IMO he has to carve his heart out to be the captain.
Contarary to many people's beliefs and the discussions going on in wordplayer I don't think th ecurse will be broken after 10 years...at least not if we want to judge this fact ONLY and ONLY by the info in the movie (pretend we don't know about the opera and the real story of the dutchman)
At one point Bootsrap says: Where we are bound she cannot come, ten years at sea, one day ashore...
Something along those lines. If the curse were to be broken after ten years he woul dcomfort his son by saying "after ten years...you'll be free to stay with her."
They should have made it clear!! I don't really understand...
Governer's Swann's death was neccessary but could have been better done. Kill someone just cause they've started asking questions? PUH-leez!
Killing Norrington was neccassary too. And I admit that it was very well done...very touching but he should have had more time in AWE...to show how he'd developed from DMC and turned back to his old life only to find that maybe...piracy itself can be the right course.
Yes the compass is baffling me. It doesn't work in th elocker but by the end it's magically fixed.
Yes I have SOME anger. I just wanna know...about some of these things. I wanna know so many things. I'm a CURIOS person.
I've accepted that JE couldn't be. And the little playful goodbye was bitter sweet and all good...but I felt that it could have been better done. We could have had a moment (not a conversation even) just a small moment of truth. To either show everything is ok or show that Jack is over Elizabeth...(not meaning the parachute scene either)
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Jul 13th, 2007 05:08 PM |
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lovethemtigers
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I know..there just wasn't any closure as far as I'm concerned.
Yes...I agree..I remember the line where Bootstrap says that, and the entire movie...except for that brig scene between calypso and davy talk and he makes it sound like they could be together after ten years if she were faithful...but actually that conversation may have just meant that for 10 years he did good deeds but then when he returned she had not been true to him and therefore he remained Captain, carved his heart out and cursed the Dutchman, and he became evil and heartless....but it still doesn't explain to me why Will's heart or Jack's heart for that matter would have to be carved out...actually Jack's would...because he wouldn't have a love waiting for him and the one he loved didn't love him back so Jack would have ended up just like Davy....maybe, I guess the whole dutchman curse thingy is confusing to me....
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Jul 13th, 2007 05:25 PM |
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tee_pirategirl
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I know what you mean...just no closure! I really do wish they would clear up the curse thing. We can go on guessing but we can't be sure until(and if) T&T tell us in the commentary...in the DVD
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Jul 13th, 2007 06:31 PM |
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we deifintey need to get Chiki on this thread. shes like, beyond p*ssed at AWE
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Jul 13th, 2007 06:41 PM |
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tee_pirategirl
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Really?? LOL I don't blame her but....I'm not THAT p*ssed. Not my fave of the trilogy but still AWEsome. Still loved the multiple Jacks ...all the different sides of Jack...AWE was dark but FUN too.
I'm not entirely disappointed but it had the potential to be better...just some loos ends.
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Jul 13th, 2007 06:57 PM |
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ibd4eva
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yeah, notice that she hasnt been on lately
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Jul 13th, 2007 07:13 PM |
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tee_pirategirl
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OOOOOH! So that's why. I miss her!! And lovely too..with all her theories of what pirates4 would be like and a whole buncha othe KMC members too.
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Jul 13th, 2007 07:46 PM |
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ibd4eva
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yeah, ive been talking to Chiki on MSN and she says she is just really bugged by Johnny right now. i asked her why but she sais she doesnt wanna talk about it. shes sick of talking about him. but she thinks KMC is just getting worse because of AWE. and i cant say i disagree. i mean, i could never get tired of talking about him, but everyone is obsessing over AWE a bit..
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mad at johnny?! but how? that doenst make sense..sure i understand the problem with AWE..it was horrible compared to the other two but i mean johnny was good. some of his scenes were a bit over the top..but stilll....
btw i love this thread  lol
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ibd4eva
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i think she just might be really sick of girls fawning over Johnny right now. thats like, all thats ever talked about on here is him.
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but she was like that for awhile too...
o well...shell come back...
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Jul 13th, 2007 09:22 PM |
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tee_pirategirl
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Ah well! I have to agree...seeing as I've been talking about Johnny WAY more than before myself. Guess it's just the only thing in AWE that was still interesting to me.
You know..yeah some bits were over the top but still ULTRA GREAT!! The multiple Jacks were...
Augh! see? I'm doing it again. I'll stop...I promise...
I wish she would some back...I hope she will...eventually
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Jul 13th, 2007 09:28 PM |
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the whole of movie 2 is a big fat plot hole in terms of J/E...lol
still leaves a huge mother f***ing: ? when movie 3 ends and DOESNT answer what the hell was goin on in DMC
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Jul 13th, 2007 09:28 PM |
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tee_pirategirl
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I applaud and agree with you lovely(great to see u around again BTW)
I'm not saying they should have had ended it JE...I'm just saying they created this whole thing in DMC that they didn't continue/end in AWE and just left it untouched like last night's leftovers. No closure...whatsoever...
While the ending for WE IMO was interesting and better than having them fall in to eachother's arms and...this made them a bit interesting but could have been better done....the ending for JE could've been better too and the whole FD curse was unclear...
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Jul 13th, 2007 09:40 PM |
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ok i havent read all of this thread so i dont know if someones already put this but im in a hurry so ill say it anyway.
when jack is talking to beckett and he says "you may kill me but you may never insult me, who am i?" and beckett shakes his headas if he doesnt know, HE DOES KNOW who he is because in p2 beckett says
" we've had dealings in the past and we've each left our mark on the other."
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she was our faith keeper you know...but I'm sure after the heat dies down we can all go back to waiting for the DVD and the sequel and everything will be fun again...
