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Halo and Marathan, same universe?

i recently came upon an old game called MArathon mad by bungie while i was reading up on halo 3, the reference was that the Jjaro from marathon looked like the Forerunners from Halo so i clicked the link to information of marathon and more things are simmular like the hunters from Marathon look so much like the Halo hunters and have simular weapons,despite the huge time difference, is this just a coincidence? if anybody who reads this has pictures of Jjaro or Forerunners could please post them.


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On Bungie's own Marathon page, there is a Q&A which states, "Is Marathon the prequel to Halo? [...] No, Marathon is a separate story, with wholly different characters, story and gameplay."


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perhaps they were lieing or maybe at the time it wasn't and they pulled a "george lucas" ~i both love and respect Lucas~


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On Bungie's own Marathon page, there is a Q&A which states, "Is Marathon the prequel to Halo? [...] No, Marathon is a separate story, with wholly different characters, story and gameplay."
Was about to point that out.

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perhaps they were lieing or maybe at the time it wasn't and they pulled a "george lucas" ~i both love and respect Lucas~
If they're lieing, it wouldn't matter because their official statement is it isn't, which leads the 'public' to believe it isn't and therefore by rule of majority, it isn't.


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Maybe Marathan inspired Halo


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there's just to many things that lead to marathon being the history of halo, big companies have lied before to things like that


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Dude

It's not.


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there's just to many things that lead to marathon being the history of halo, big companies have lied before to things like that
What the f**k? What does it matter? It is NOT THE HISTORY OF HALO.


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actually i was wrong, Halo could be the history of Marathon read this
The numbering of Halo's MJOLNIR battle armor series is one of many references to Bungie's earlier Marathon series. During the course of the Marathon games, various text terminals mention of ten MJOLNIR Mark IV cyborgs, which represent "all of the destructive knowledge of mankind."

The identity of the player's character is never solidly stated in the games. The manual states that he is a security officer aboard the UESC Marathon. However, in the Marathon 2 preview, the AI Durandal reveals the following:

"Were you ever curious about the tenth cyborg which was supposed to be on the Marathon? Why could Leela find only nine? Was it ever activated? Was it destroyed during the defense of the colony? You are right to be curious."
This and other clues have led many fans of the series to the conclusion that the player is a reference to the tenth MJOLNIR Mark IV cyborg, though as with all Bungie games, speculation is rampant.

To add to this, it has also been speculated and/or stated in other places that both the Halo series and the Marathon series take place in the same storied universe, albeit hundreds of years apart (Halo comes before Marathon on the speculated "Official Bungie Timeline"). This may explain the reference to the MJOLNIR cyborgs, as the SPARTAN-IIs very much were transformed into cyborgs, and may also explain the use of the Marathon logo symbol in Halo: on both sides of the Pillar of Autumn, and on the front of Captain Jacob Keyes' non-regulation pipe, both seen in the first game. This may also foreshadow some kind of human victory over the Covenant in the Halo series, as humans are alive and well in the Marathon series, the player being one himself.

so when they said that Marathon isn't the prequal or history of halo they didn't lie


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actually i was wrong, Halo could be the history of Marathon read this
The numbering of Halo's MJOLNIR battle armor series is one of many references to Bungie's earlier Marathon series. During the course of the Marathon games, various text terminals mention of ten MJOLNIR Mark IV cyborgs, which represent "all of the destructive knowledge of mankind."

The identity of the player's character is never solidly stated in the games. The manual states that he is a security officer aboard the UESC Marathon. However, in the Marathon 2 preview, the AI Durandal reveals the following:

"Were you ever curious about the tenth cyborg which was supposed to be on the Marathon? Why could Leela find only nine? Was it ever activated? Was it destroyed during the defense of the colony? You are right to be curious."
This and other clues have led many fans of the series to the conclusion that the player is a reference to the tenth MJOLNIR Mark IV cyborg, though as with all Bungie games, speculation is rampant.

To add to this, it has also been speculated and/or stated in other places that both the Halo series and the Marathon series take place in the same storied universe, albeit hundreds of years apart (Halo comes before Marathon on the speculated "Official Bungie Timeline"). This may explain the reference to the MJOLNIR cyborgs, as the SPARTAN-IIs very much were transformed into cyborgs, and may also explain the use of the Marathon logo symbol in Halo: on both sides of the Pillar of Autumn, and on the front of Captain Jacob Keyes' non-regulation pipe, both seen in the first game. This may also foreshadow some kind of human victory over the Covenant in the Halo series, as humans are alive and well in the Marathon series, the player being one himself.

so when they said that Marathon isn't the prequal or history of halo they didn't lie


Or maybe the same guy did Marathon and he liked some of those ideas and used it to make Halo.


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so when they said that Marathon isn't the prequal or history of halo they didn't lie


True enough, if they're Lawyers then yes, that would leave it open.


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hmm, interesting thread here, EH...that means there is a happy ending to the halo series laughing out loud...


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ya and more than one person makes a game the hunters in marathon look exactly like the halo hunters, it freaks me out but it wouldn't be the first thime bungie has done this, infact Pathway to Darkness is the prequal i guess to Marathon


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A number of weapons and plot devices seem to borrow from ideas seen in the Marathon series of first-person shooters made by Bungie in the early to mid-1990s

These include the concept of MJOLNIR "cyborgs", the supersoldier main character, the weapons, artificial intelligences, and even some of the alien creatures. Upon close inspection, crew members of the Pillar of the Autumn have the Marathon symbol on their uniforms, and the symbol is even embedded in the Halo logo itself. The Elites from Halo are somewhat similar (in their appearance, not their role) to Marathon's Pfhor. Hunters appear in both games filling the same roles. The Hunters from Halo, though much larger, also clearly share design elements with the Hunters from Marathon. A type of alien that was modeled for Halo 2 but later cut is nearly identical to the Drinniol from Marathon. Also, both games use uniform color to differentiate between different ranks of aliens (and crew members), with higher ranks being stronger and harder to kill. There are two multiplayer gaming options, a version of king of the hill and a game called Oddball (called "Kill the Man with the Ball" in Marathon), which are present in Marathon's multiplayer mode.

These large similarities led to early speculation that Halo took place in the same universe as Marathon, only with different time frames; however, this was later proved highly unlikely. According to both the Halo video games and books, the events in Halo coincide with the events in Marathon. However, due to technology differences (the lack of transporter technology in Halo, for one), this is impossible. On Bungie's own Marathon page, there is a Q&A which states, "Is Marathon the prequel to Halo? [...] No, Marathon is a separate story, with wholly different characters, story and gameplay."


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well i think that your wrong, come wat if they are saying that so the story won't be ruined


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Well you can think that all you want. The novels say otherwise but whatever.


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well i think that your wrong, come wat if they are saying that so the story won't be ruined
I think you're wrong.


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A number of weapons and plot devices seem to borrow from ideas seen in the Marathon series of first-person shooters made by Bungie in the early to mid-1990s

These include the concept of MJOLNIR "cyborgs", the supersoldier main character, the weapons, artificial intelligences, and even some of the alien creatures. Upon close inspection, crew members of the Pillar of the Autumn have the Marathon symbol on their uniforms, and the symbol is even embedded in the Halo logo itself. The Elites from Halo are somewhat similar (in their appearance, not their role) to Marathon's Pfhor. Hunters appear in both games filling the same roles. The Hunters from Halo, though much larger, also clearly share design elements with the Hunters from Marathon. A type of alien that was modeled for Halo 2 but later cut is nearly identical to the Drinniol from Marathon. Also, both games use uniform color to differentiate between different ranks of aliens (and crew members), with higher ranks being stronger and harder to kill. There are two multiplayer gaming options, a version of king of the hill and a game called Oddball (called "Kill the Man with the Ball" in Marathon), which are present in Marathon's multiplayer mode.

These large similarities led to early speculation that Halo took place in the same universe as Marathon, only with different time frames; however, this was later proved highly unlikely. According to both the Halo video games and books, the events in Halo coincide with the events in Marathon. However, due to technology differences (the lack of transporter technology in Halo, for one), this is impossible. On Bungie's own Marathon page, there is a Q&A which states, "Is Marathon the prequel to Halo? [...] No, Marathon is a separate story, with wholly different characters, story and gameplay."


Just the fact that you know so much about Halo is good enough for me. Marry me? haha.

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Just because the games have similar things doesn't make them related in any way what so ever.

The final Fantasy series even goes so far as to have the complete same crap in every game, chocobo's, ultima weapons, airships, clothing, etc. However in every game the plot is different, the characters are usually different, and the location is different.


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