According to the respect thread, she is not much compared to the greater magicians in Warcraft. However, she has preformed the impressive deed of compressing time itself. Which is what I think might prove difficult to beat.
The problem when dealing with Nozdormu is that he already knows what you are going to do, and if he doesn't like the result he gets from a spell ore physical attack he can simply redo it... She will have to be capable of manipulating time to a equal ore greater degree then him to take him down.
Freeze time? Ultimecia can do that too. Easily in fact, as in without being present in the same time, she froze time in the past while being in the future(if you know what I mean).
A battle between two time manipulators is more a philosophical discussion than a discussion revolving the two characters. Time s a fluent thing, so with Nozdormu being timeless, he is outside the current. Ultimecia proved herself capable of commencing the compression of time, but was prevented. This indicate that it is not an unstoppable process, also that time does not stand still during this state of compression. Which means, purely philosophical of course, that Nozdormu can freeze the process and prevent her from compressing time.
Okay first of all, Time Compression can only be defeated by love and friendship.
I am not joking, that is how Squall and friends became immune to Time Compression and defeated Ultimecia, the friggin power of love and friendship.
If that isn't PIS, I don't know what is.
Nozdormu is "timeless", but going by that, the Titan that gave him his power(his name escapes me) could not defeat him then, since Nozdormu by your reasoning could just freeze him in time, when said Titan was also considered to be time itself(or so I hear).
Ultimecia could absorb all reality and time, why not absorb Noz? He may not exist in the flow of time, but he exists, that much is certain.
Revolving the Titan point. Nozdormu is rather undefeatable, and they know this. That is why they granted him the vision of his own death, so that his powers wouldnt go over his head. How he dies, no one but himself and the Pantheon knows. Admittedly, Highfather is more powerful than Nozdormu, but can not necessarily defeat him.
Highfather is the father of time, but not acutally time itself. Just its creator.
Well, if Time Compression can only be defeated by love and friendship, Nozdormu is screwed. GG. End of all things. Finito. Gone. Wasted. He has no such thing. He cares only about safeguarding time. However, if time is considered his friend and his love for time is an acceptable love, he'll make it out just fine.
1. Why don't you think Highfather could defeat him out of curiosity? And even though he is timeless, he can clearly be killed.
Oh okay, just wanted to know that. Time and reality are Ultimecia's plaything, she is easily the single strongest character in Final Fantasy, possibly only second to the Great Hyne himself, the father of the Sorceress Power.
Yeah...That is fact actually, Laguna actually goes on a long and totally not ghey manly speech about how trusting and believing in your friends will allow you to survive TC...How he knew this is impossibly to understand. There are some reasons why Disc 4 of FFVIII are considered to be bullshit, and IMO the only thing that holds back the game from being the best Final Fantasy.
But yeah, Nozdormu exists, and does not have t3h powa of Love and Friendship, so I think he loses.
Disc 3 and 4 don't exist in my book for FF8. The game was pretty freakin' good up until disc 3 and then it just became...lame. All Nozdormu has to do is believe in love and he'll win.
It took the combined love of Zell, Squall, Rinoa, Quistis, Selphie, and Ivrine, all of who love eachother, so it took 36 loves(6 from each person) to defeat Ultimecia, along with anyone else they love like Edea or their parents, so no, Noz's love of time cannot help him.
I am bumping this thread because "new" data about Nozdormu has appeared. It is not actually new, since it was in War of the Ancients, but it did not cross my mind when I posted in this thread previously. I had forgotten it until the point where I read it yesterday:
Nozdormu has shown resistance to time, existance and reality compression for a longer period of time. Troughout the entire War of the Ancients, Nozdormu while being tortured kept all of time, reality and existance from imploding.
At the same time as he kept everything together, he showed anomalistic time powers when he ripped Krasus, Broxigar and Rhonin out of time and existance itself, to where he was caged. While doing this, he also for a brief moment granted Krasus absolute vision, allowing him to see everything that has, is and will come. "Krasus had witnessed time in its ultimate aspect, all at once".
During this process, Gaskal was slain, and if nothing else, proves that Nozdormu can not only keep time and existance from imploding, but can do so while being tortured extremely and while preforming other actions at the same time, such as killing Gaskal by altering Gaskar himself rather than the time around him.
So with this newly rediscovered knowledge, I dare say that Nozdormu can not only fight back compression, but also fight Ultimecia while doing so.
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Aug 27th, 2008 09:57 AM
that art is of Ysera 
anyway what can this Sorceress Ultimecia do?
