does anybody know if The Exile is the most powerful jedi ever... i heard she was really powerful and knew alot of ancient stuff. Is shemore powerful than Luke, Yoda etc.
No. She is not. Luke is the most powerful Jedi there ever was. Yoda's like 2nd or 3rd. The Exile trails far behind. There can be no spot for her right now because other than the game, there is no source on her abilities, origins, etc. Nothing to gauge her power.
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Force-wise, no. She just had specific traits that Nihilus couldn't get around. Like being a wound.
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Maybe it's because I've generally been pretty exposed to the Japanese Role Playing Game genre which places a huge emphasis on storyline over gameplay, but I've never quite understood the argument that video games cannot be used as adequate storyline based sources simply because they're video games. KotOR 2 was full of fixed storyline segments where the characters' power and abilities could be accurately gauged. Gameplay mechanics can also give the player insight into the storyline as well, but obviously in a far more limiting way. For example, if Jolee Bindo, say when he first joins your party in the first game, starts off with the Force Push ability, given that this is something that is fixed into the game and does not vary from player to player, and doesn't drastically contradict what we know about the characters and the setting, then it should logically be accepted as something Jolee would factually have possessed at that point in time.
Star Wars canon, in fact, does not exclude video-game storylines---those stories do make up part of the EU after all. Storylines (or rather, segments of them) are only excluded if they contradict the movies, Lucas' word, or sometimes other parts of the EU. And in games like KotOR or TFU, the light side endings are the canonically accepted ones.
Gameplay itself is different from the storyline. Game mechanics are: A.) subjective to individual player choices and thus can not be factored in to one canon chronology, and B.) oftentimes exaggerated or out-right nonsensical (an example being Jedi Knights in KotOR wielding Dark Side powers).
Cutscenes (not to be confused with "cut scenes" like Sion's showdown with Nihilus) are, like you alluded to, fixed in the game's story and are taken as canon. There persists in this department, however, a problem; in Knights of the Old Republic, while Revan's redemption back to the Light is canon, the choices and actions he made during the quest for the Star Forge, are not (and subsequently any cutscenes along the way that are modified to fit the player's choices). No book, comic, or encyclopedia exists on the numerous side quests that are undertaken in the game, so even though Revan turned back to the Light, he could have been a murderer and a thief up until his confrontation with Bastila.
When we say we can not gauge the powers of the KotOR characters, we mean can not gauge them in relation to characters of other time periods. For all we know, Revan and Malak were as powerful as Anakin or Mace Windu. That's just an example, but the point is, we have virtually no way of comparing the abiltiites and combat prowess of many eras simply because the two did not intertwine. This problem is exacerbated for the KotOR era by the fact that there is no source which outlines any of the character's abiltities as seen from an omniscient writer and observer who is taking the entire mythos in to consideration.
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Last edited by Lord Lucien on Jul 18th, 2009 at 09:43 PM
NO SHE ISNT...... Tulak Hord would kill the EWxile for sure, as when u go to Korriban if u listen to the history then jedi and sith of that era were like children playing with toys to the skill of the ancient masters, so Tulak Hord who just chop her head off or something...... Marka Ragnos can cover an entire PLANET in force lightning, he was a half breed of dark jedi and True Sith, and Naga Sadow caused stars to go nova (about 5) at once, all across the galaxy, so they were considerably more powerful thatn the after comers. of course, thats just sith.... isk about the jedi, but Cin Drallig would be killed WITH Dooku in a fght with Tulak......
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This is really pathetic. There comes a point in every poster's career at which they begin to want to be understood by the other members of the website they upload the pretty pictures they can make by bashing their head against the squares. I realize that you probably can't actually distinguish between the squiggles you're making here and the ones the meds give you the snakes crawling through your hair but for the love of sweet baby Yahwe give it a try, alright? Think of the children.
Let's clean this up, ok?
No, the Exile is not the most powerful Jedi. [Do you see how the one dot (which is called a period) signals the end of a sentence?] Tulak Hord would almost definitely kill the exile, because when u you go to Korriban if u you listen to the history, specifically that Jedi and Sith of that era (namely: the Ancient Sith Empire) were like children playing with toys to the skill of the ancient masters, you find out that Tulak Hord would be a superior swordsman. [There's that period again. I know it's tricky but you'll get the hang of it.]
Marka Ragnos can cover an entire PLANET in force lightning. He was a half breed of dark jedi and True Sith. Naga Sadow caused stars to go nova (about 5) at once, all across the galaxy, so they were considerably more powerful than the later practitioners. Of course, those are just Sith. I don't know about the Jedi, but Cin Drallig would be killed WITH Dooku in a fight with Tulak.
Sadly, the ability to form (mostly) complete sentences is not enough. One must think about the complete sentences being created. It is in this arena too that your post is lacking.
You claim that the Exile is 'not the most powerful Jedi in history.' This is a fair assertion, supposing that it is backed by reasoned evidence. The absence of reason and evidence is glaring. As supporting points you submit the testimony of Kreia to the Exile regarding the Ancient Sith and their level of refinement in lightsaber combat. You make no effort to compare them with any Jedi and leave the potential bias of the speaker (an in universe character, no less) completely undressed. I'd like to call this omission intentional but it is, sadly, more likely that you were simply writing down words, as though the ability to formulate an opinion was tantamount to being worth anyone's attention.
The travesty continues, to the collective dismay of every English speaker and reader of this forum. You cite Marka Ragnos's proficiency with Force Lightning and then inform us of his ancestry. The next step was to talk about Naga Shadow and his manipulation of several stars. These three factoids were sufficient for you to assert the superiority of the earliest Force users when compared to their heirs. You don't actually tell us what the relevance of the information is, instead opting to allow us to draw our own conclusions about the Jedi Exile's position on a list of powerful Jedi from your informative remarks about the Ancient Sith. Terrific.
You conclude your (and I use this in the loosest possible connotation) contribution with yet another assertion, this time about a hypothetical confrontation between an alliance of Cin Drallig and Count Dooku against Tulak Hord.
The level of insight and scholarship of this post was simply astronomical. I mean, you didn't actually have to provide any evidence that supported your assertions! Once again: terrific.
Jul 17th, 2009 11:48 PM
FER TEA!!
