I used to think that powers that harmed your enemy were always considered part of the Dark Side. But Kyle Katarn said himself that no power is inherently good or evil, it just depends on your use.
Plus Mace Windu and Kyle both used powers that were usually associated to the Dark Side. The way I see it, Force Lightning and Force Grip are awesome powers that a Jedi can use to serve the Light. Force Crush and Force Kill - I would do anything I can to keep from using them.
So, what do you guys think. Are Force Lightning, Force Grip, and Force Rage necessarily evil, or do they only count as bad when you use them for evil?
Bonus: What is your favorite force combo?
Mine: Force Grip a Sith, use Force Lightning on him/her while he/she is still in your Force Grip, throw them up, jump up to his/her position, and Force Repulse the Sith close-up.
To flesh out gameplay but still keep protagonists as good guys, developers and writers helped to establish the "neutral" side to the Force, or as its users are sometimes erroneously referred to as, "Grey Jedi." Here, being in the middle ground gave one the ability use both Dark and Light (Evil and Good) powers.
Personally, I've come to like that view. The whole moral absolutism, even in Sci-Fi (and especially in Star Wars, considering the vast amount of content present in it), is bland and predictable.
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Those powers are may considered harmful due to their intent but remember Plo Koon found Elctric Judgment and he had not felt anger or hatred while using it and it had the strength of a blast i'd say of Dooku's. Whereas a variation Luke used referred to as Emerald lightning, instantly killed one of Shimrra's slayers.(sp?)
I wouldn't consider 'Force grip' to be a Dark Side power at all since technically It's only telekinesis it just depends what you do with it.
Force Rage, No I do not beleive that this power is inherently evil since people have used it without falling to the Dark Side, Jaden, Kyle and Kenobi in TPM. Though people like Anakin used this power passively and it helped his attack style (Djem So) the reason he didn't fall to the DS was because of his dread, i'll post the quote.
He lifted his blade, and beckoned.
Skywalker leapt from the balcony. Even as the boy hurtled downward, Dooku felt a new twist in the currents of the Force between them, and he finally understood.
He understood how Skywalker was getting stronger. Why he no longer spoke. How he had become a machine of battle. He understood why Sidious had been so interested in him for so long.
Skywalker was a natural.
There was a thermonuclear furnace where his heart should be, and it was burning through the firewalls of his Jedi training. He held the Force in the clench of a white-hot fist. He was half Sith already, and he didn't even know it.
This boy had the gift of fury.
And even now, he was holding himself back; even now, as he landed at Dooku's flank and rained blows upon the Sith Lord's defenses, even as he drove Dooku backward step after step, Dooku could feel how Skywalker kept his fury banked behind walls of will: walls that were hardened by some uncontrollable dread.
Dread, Dooku surmised, of himself. Of what might happen if he should ever allow that furnace he used for a heart to go supercritical.
Dooku slipped aside from an overhand chop and sprang backward. "I sense great fear in you. You are consumed by it. Hero With No Fear, indeed. You're a fraud, Skywalker. You are nothing but a posturing child."
He pointed his lightsaber at the young Jedi like an accusing finger. "Aren't you a little old to be afraid of the dark?"
Skywalker leapt for him again, and this time Dooku met the boy's charge easily. They stood nearly toe-to-toe, blades flashing faster than the eye could see, but Skywalker had lost his edge: a simple taunt was all that had been required to shift the focus of his attention from winning the fight to controlling his own emotions. The angrier he got, the more afraid he became, and the fear fed his anger in turn; like the proverbial Corellian multipede, now that he had started thinking about what he was doing, he could no longer walk.
I don't necessarily like a combination of Force Powers, I'll just stick with good ol' TK.
Edit- Longest post ever.
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__________________ Every time this fool be come along
He gots you noobs cryin' out fo' mom
Leave the scene lookin' like Vietnam
Might as well call him "Matt Atom Bomb"
Like his name suggests, he's quite atomic
And this fool - he likes DC Comics
Two energy swords make up his symbol
And trust me, dawg, this homie's nimble
Meh, everything else does too, Potentium's just trying to be popular.
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Basically. Irks me more than most things, makes the threat of the Dark Side really damn cheap for our heroes. As does the Revolving Door Policy. At least they didn't drag Jacen back from evilness...
No he did that himself in the last few seconds of his life.
__________________ Every time this fool be come along
He gots you noobs cryin' out fo' mom
Leave the scene lookin' like Vietnam
Might as well call him "Matt Atom Bomb"
Like his name suggests, he's quite atomic
And this fool - he likes DC Comics
Two energy swords make up his symbol
And trust me, dawg, this homie's nimble
I think that the Potentium actually has some sense to it, as defined by Katarn, and the fact that Qui-Gon was a grey jedi in secret or something. Source is in Ep 1 and the definition of the Greys,
"Master, if you would just listen to the Council more often, you would be on it."-Obi-Wan to Qui-Gon.
The definition of the Greys is those that dont think the Council is always right, so they actually think for themselves. They are free thinkers. Not blind servants. The followers of the Potentium seem to be alot like that in my opinion.
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The Potentium makes sense in a realistic manner. It abolishes an absolute morality, which is a great reflection of reality. But I can certainly relate to fans of the franchise who feel it cheapens the Dark Side's threat, as Rex said.
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It does make them seem less threatening wwithout morals, but it still makes sense. If the Old Jedi Order had followed the Potentium, I wonder what would have happened when Order 66 came around.
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It;s actually stated and I can't remember where, if the Order had followed Jinn's view in believing in the Living Force they would have found out about the Sith threat earlier.
__________________ Every time this fool be come along
He gots you noobs cryin' out fo' mom
Leave the scene lookin' like Vietnam
Might as well call him "Matt Atom Bomb"
Like his name suggests, he's quite atomic
And this fool - he likes DC Comics
Two energy swords make up his symbol
And trust me, dawg, this homie's nimble
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Aug 15th, 2009 12:12 AM
