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In all honesty, I don't see the gap between them being *too* great. Granted, Prime is basically a "silver age Kryptonian", but the fact that he's without restraint certainly helps. I'd say Prime begins by default stronger, faster, and more durable than Supes, but if Superman ever went crazy/emo, he would be able to rival Prime in certain aspects. I'm personally of the opinion that Superman is steadily increasing his Pre-Crisis levels anyway. And this is, of course, without factoring in the Guardian Amp.
I disagree. Prime's shown himself to be his superior and shrug him off like a minor irritant. I think he's definitely stronger than him. We've seen Superman not hold back at all against WW. I think Prime would have wrecked her in moments to which she would stay down.
Oh, I'm not saying Prime isn't his superior; even if Superman went balls-to-the-walls, Prime would still be > than him, but the gap isn't that large as to claim it would be a spite in favor of Prime. Essentially every fight with Prime is a clusterf*ck, with various people getting in the way. And when Superman is directly involved, he's trying to either reach through to Prime, worried about the people around him, or dealing with other circumstances.
Look at the Ion/Prime battle for example. Prime, obviously, won the match. And yet a rookie Ion did better against Prime (refueled naturally by the sun) than the combined efforts of DC Earth. It seems to me anyway, one super strong character vs. Prime stands a better chance than an assembled host of heroes against him.
An entire pack of heroes is more effective against Prime than Ion was. Prime just beat the crap out of him and was in no real danger. I think Superman has benefited big time from the battle distractions against Prime more than the other way around.
How much stronger would you say then if both are balls to the wall.
No prob, I can see how one would believe the opposite as it is open to debate.
Ion managed to deal damage to Prime, and until the lead poisoning, was holding his own against him. Let's face it, Prime's durability is often suspect as Conner Kent is able to damage him. You know how people (including myself, as I've mentioned it before) say that Thanos durability >> his damage output? I'd say the opposite holds true for Prime. Prime has been shown to be hurt pretty often, but he either regens quickly enough or, more likely, he has a low pain threshold while having a high durability if that makes sense. He feels pain a lot more easily, but he's less prone to being KOed or seriously harmed.
If both we're going at it, 110% effort, bloodlusted, Prime is at least twice as strong as him still.
If you mean the horde that was beating on him before Ion came out, he was weakened from lack of sunlight at the time and once the sun came out he easily beat their asses.
I think that's just inconsistent writing and considering he just came back you knew Prime wasn't going to easily trash him even though he could.
I also think He was just enjoying himself while he mopped the floor up with Ion.
You're free to have those opinions, but I just disagree with them. I think with Prime he's just an emotional mess because he's an immature kid but it's hard to say superboy's hv is greater than Black Adam's punches wouldn't you agree?
Ok, from your post earlier I thought you viewed them a lot closer than that.
It could be inconsistent writing, but in Infinite Crisis and SCW alike, lesser heroes were able to make Prime cry out in pain, but at the same token unable to deal lasting damage. It could also be psychological in nature because Prime himself obviously has a fragile psyche.
Prime is about 3 time stronger then regular Superman. Though an all out (not mindcontrolled) "save the universe no matter what" Superman should be his equal if not his superior.
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