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Abortion dystopia #5823: Women deliberately conceiving and then aborting.

It's a sad day in hell when even the pro-choicers admit there is something morally wrong with what these women are doing.
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As Jenny lay on the obstetrician’s examination table, she was grateful that the ultrasound tech had turned off the overhead screen. She didn’t want to see the two shadows floating inside her. Since making her decision, she had tried hard not to think about them, though she could often think of little else. She was 45 and pregnant after six years of fertility bills, ovulation injections, donor eggs and disappointment — and yet here she was, 14 weeks into her pregnancy, choosing to extinguish one of two healthy fetuses, almost as if having half an abortion. As the doctor inserted the needle into Jenny’s abdomen, aiming at one of the fetuses, Jenny tried not to flinch, caught between intense relief and intense guilt.

“Things would have been different if we were 15 years younger or if we hadn’t had children already or if we were more financially secure,” she said later. “If I had conceived these twins naturally, I wouldn’t have reduced this pregnancy, because you feel like if there’s a natural order, then you don’t want to disturb it. But we created this child in such an artificial manner — in a test tube, choosing an egg donor, having the embryo placed in me — and somehow, making a decision about how many to carry seemed to be just another choice. The pregnancy was all so consumerish to begin with, and this became yet another thing we could control.

The woman can pay for thousands of dollars of IVF but not take care of two children. A consumerist lifestyle taking precedence over moral behavior; artificiality of the pregnancy justifying grotesque behavior.

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If the babies:

1. Don't have eternal souls.
2. Will never be able to speak out against their murderers.
3. Lack the ability to even comprehend anything (because they are not developed enough).
4. And no God exists meaning no objective morality cares about the death of a lump of cells that only loosely resembles a mature version of that species.

Then it doesn't matter if you destroy a creature you paid to have created. It's not murder. It's not an affront to an objective truth. It's not even morally wrong.


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if you arent ready to be a parent then you should not bring children into the world. more than 80% of pregnancies are unplanned. and teen pregnancies are rising every day as well.

Children should not make Children, so at that point I dont see a problem with abortions


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Children should not make Children, so at that point I dont see a problem with abortions


Decent logic.


I also see the "morning after" pill being a better option than abortion.


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I also see the "morning after" pill being a better option than abortion. [/B]
Agreed


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It's so easy for some people to be pro-life when they're not the ones who are pregnant.


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While I know various fertility practices are quite profuse these days I find the idea that MANY women are purposely getting pregnant and then aborting the fetus, unbelievable.

Of course, sometimes there is no choice (the health of the fetuses or health of the mother is at high risk) when there are too many fetuses. Which is one, of many reasons, why I think the last thing we need are more options for human reproduction.

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"Even the twins would be robbed, because, at best, she could give each one only half of her attention and, she feared, only half of her love. Jenny desperately wanted another child, but not at the risk of becoming a second-rate parent."

Hahahaahahaahhhahhaaahahahahahahaaaahhaaa, worst cop-out ever. What Jenny wanted (since she's already a parent and knows) is to get the little sleep she'll be allowed over the next 1-2 years and not have two babies crying in surround sound.


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Then it doesn't matter if you destroy a creature you paid to have created. It's not murder. It's not an affront to an objective truth. It's not even morally wrong.


How come I am not allowed to beat my dog to death with a claw hammer in the middle of my kitchen floor if I so choose??

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If the babies:

1. Don't have eternal souls.
2. Will never be able to speak out against their murderers.
3. Lack the ability to even comprehend anything (because they are not developed enough).
4. And no God exists meaning no objective morality cares about the death of a lump of cells that only loosely resembles a mature version of that species.

Then it doesn't matter if you destroy a creature you paid to have created. It's not murder. It's not an affront to an objective truth. It's not even morally wrong.


I have no idea how people don't think it is not murder when it is. All babies are living reather people believe that or not. Abortion is killing a baby just because a parent made the mistake.
Now why should the baby pay for her or his parent's mistake? If people don't want kids don't sleep with anyone or becareful. I also feel that it is pretty selfish why go through all that trouble? It is not worth it.


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I have no idea how people don't think it is not murder when it is. All babies are living reather people believe that or not. Abortion is killing a baby just because a parent made the mistake.
Now why should the baby pay for her or his parent's mistake? If people don't want kids don't sleep with anyone or becareful. I also feel that it is pretty selfish why go through all that trouble? It is not worth it.


Tell me about it!

If I can legally use a coat hanger to kill junior how come I can't bludgeon my Shih-Tzu???

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How come I am not allowed to beat my dog to death with a claw hammer in the middle of my kitchen floor if I so choose??




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I have no idea how people don't think it is not murder when it is. All babies are living reather people believe that or not. Abortion is killing a baby just because a parent made the mistake.
Now why should the baby pay for her or his parent's mistake? If people don't want kids don't sleep with anyone or becareful. I also feel that it is pretty selfish why go through all that trouble? It is not worth it.



Don't shoot the messenger.

I'm a Mormon so it's obvious I don't agree with their sentiments.


Out of my list, I don't believe 1, 2, or 3.


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I have no idea how people don't think it is not murder when it is.


Probably because there's a definition for murder.


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I'm pro-choice; I believe in a woman's right to choose, but that's straight f*cked. What a complete and utter b*tch.


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I'm pro-choice; I believe in a woman's right to choose, but that's straight f*cked. What a complete and utter b*tch.
Why?

How is this morally different from a normal abortion in your mind?


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Why?

How is this morally different from a normal abortion in your mind?


I'm not talking about morality as such. It's her reasons for doing it that irk me.


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I'm not talking about morality as such. It's her reasons for doing it that irk me.


Well, if we take her at face value "not financially secure enough" seems to be one of the main contenders for reasons for abortion generally.

I suppose if there's no medical issue, you can't really make a good argument for why she's not just carries them to term and puts one up for abortion.


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Well, if we take her at face value "not financially secure enough" seems to be one of the main contenders for reasons for abortion generally.

I suppose if there's no medical issue, you can't really make a good argument for why she's not just carries them to term and puts one up for abortion.


People have their reasons for doing it; I don't think it should be done willy nilly, but in general their business is their business. When their reasons are put out there, if I don't like them, I'll say so.

At the end of the day it's still her choice, I just think her reasoning is flawed. And stupid.

putting em up for abortion eh? stick out tongue


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