__________________ Originally posted by Arhael Okay, look. Um, me feels no agenda to meeting and vacuum in leadership position, so me has composed 12 point plan for good happy success.
__________________ Originally posted by Arhael Okay, look. Um, me feels no agenda to meeting and vacuum in leadership position, so me has composed 12 point plan for good happy success.
I already read the Power and Abilities section on the Wiki before I posted that message. I was hoping someone could provide some actual stuff from sources that describes Kyp's power. Marek is easily Top 10, and arguably Top 5 in the best Jedi of all time, so that's why I'm wondering if Durron really is better.
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* Within a week of intensive training, Durron had surpassed all other trainees at the Jedi Praxeum.
* By 13 ABY, Skywalker perceived Durron to be "frighteningly powerful" and regarded him as his prize student.
* Following his week of intensive training at the Jedi Praxeum, Durron was capable of advanced feats of telekinesis.
* During the fall of Coruscant, Durron also made use of a destroyed freighter as a telekinetic weapon despite its large size.
* Testiment to his above-average abilites, Kyp was the only Jedi outside of the Skywalker/Solo families to be considered by Vergere and Lumiya as a candidate for the next Sith Lord.
- I'm not concerned about waiting for people to provide stuff from sources, because the Wiki already provides stuff from sources and is gleaned from said sources.
The Nazi administrators would make sure of that - and as experts in Star Wars, and especially the NJO, those who are experts in NJO would already know what they're looking at is true anyway and not need to question it.
But anyway, this is a decent list of capabilities.
I'd be interested to know how big and heavy that freighter was, that Durron threw - it would be a good indicator of how well he would fare against Marek.
Edit: I would think his article probably covers the maximum breadth and width of abilities.
Though curiously, it didn't mention his Dovin Basal trick - then again though, manipulating a singularity, by controlling a creature that manipulates singularities, isn't actually impressive.
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Note that I'm not saying that Marek defeats Durron. I'm just unsure if those feats above would match against those of Marek's. Marek could outspar all of PROXY's programs, had insane potential and Force ability, and had ridiculous TK as well.
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I mean, aside from the "frighting potential" and Kyp hurling a "damaged freighter" at some enemies during NJO - I'm not sure if he has what it takes to put down Marek.
Plus, during his fight against three Slayers, they pretty much beat the shit out of him.
I'd like to see some other Kyp fans join in and voice their opinions - they might be able to shed some more light on this.
Given Kyp's hype though, I'd think this would be a good test for Marek.
__________________ Originally posted by Arhael Okay, look. Um, me feels no agenda to meeting and vacuum in leadership position, so me has composed 12 point plan for good happy success.
Second thought, I did some lurking and looked through some other Kyp threads where he battled the likes of Sidious, Yoda and Vader - and essentially Kyp is purported to have Force potential and Feats on par with NJO Luke.
With a lightsaber, he's average, but with the Force, he's likely Marek's equal or superior.
going to have to go with marek. ive always been disappointed with how little they use kyp in big moments. its like they're saving him for something big, but it never comes. ive always wondered how it would have went when they tried to capture Jacen if Kyp went instead of Kyle. the writers portray him as a force beast that could possibly rival Luke in force power, then basically give him x-wing escort duty while Luke, Jaina, Kyle, Saba, or someone else handles the big threat. i keep waiting for him to let loose and wreck some shit on a huge level.
Kyp is second only to Luke in Force potential (at least, for that times Jedi)
I'd probably stick him at the same level as Yoda overall. Still, Marek has some absurd stuff he has done. While he didn't pull the Destroyer from orbit, he did stop one on its fall. That is pretty impressive.
Yeah, I'd say Marek does overcome and defeat Kyp, after a hellish fight.
__________________ Originally posted by Arhael Okay, look. Um, me feels no agenda to meeting and vacuum in leadership position, so me has composed 12 point plan for good happy success.
Notice how Galen manages to defeat every single enemy he has with a ******* Force Push? I say Galen wins, and even Wikipedia didn't enlist all of his abilities. Check my other team battle threads, and you'll get the best detail. And yes, Galen had Battle Meditation on his side as well.
We have a single feat that downgrades him a lot. He easily got subdued by a single Alpha infected Slayer, while likes of Luke, Jacen and Jaina could engage multiple healthy ones. It could be argued that he didn't expect that Vong to be much more dangerous than others, however, it still highlights his lack of creativity, when facing unknown threat. In comparison Mara, when faced the very first Yuuzhan Vong, was similarly at huge disadvantage. She even got bitten by amphistaff and still found a way to defeat him.
I see that as more of an outlier than a feat indicative of his overall status. I think it was in survivors quest Luke and Mara togeather were stalemated for a while and were hidimg in vents and on the run from a 30+ year old destroyer droid, while opress downed 3, plus obi-wan and anakin with a single omni force blast. I don't think that kyps low feat downgrades him anymore than their low feat does them . Kyps been around since the Jedi academy series, he's bound to have 1 or 2 low feats here and there.
Ye, I know that one. It was a modified droideka from clone wars. They had difficulty in penetrating its shield but why neither tried to use TK didn't make sense to me either. Luke at that time tried to avoid exessive use of Force but same doesn't apply to Mara.
But it is not a saber combat feat anyway.
In a way you are right. Vongs are void in the Force. Maybe Kyp simply hadn't learned to anticipate their moves like Luke and twins. But again it implies some lack of tallent in combat.
With Kyp there is literally only three feats after Jedi Academy. Moving black hole, where he assumes to be more powerful than Luke. Casually resisting Jaina's Force lightning and this example with Slayer.
Also, Luke evaluates Kyp to be an expert sword master on level with Katarn in one of the FotJ books, which is perhaps the best estimation of his prowess:
"He was good; Luke gave him that. He might have been a match for an expert swordsmaster such as Kyp or Kyle Katarn. He would have been too much for a comparatively diffident duelist such as Cilghal, or even Luke as he had been back at Sinkhole Station, at low ebb in physical and mental strength.
But Luke, despite recent exertions, had had time to recover. He parried each of Gaalan's blows, and his ripostes-his blade skittering off Gaalan's and thrusting now at the Sith Lord's face, now at shoulder or knee or torso-came increasingly close to touching flesh.
Luke smiled at the man."
Peak Kyle is at least on par with Count Dooku - and if Kyp is noted by Luke to be on par with Kyle as well, then Kyp basically beats Galen in the sabers-department.
Which just leaves the Force - still an uphill battle for him.
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