I think if Luke is serious, and tries to knock Dooku and Sidious off as quickly as possible; he might have a good chance against Bane, when he's by himself.
__________________ Originally posted by Arhael Okay, look. Um, me feels no agenda to meeting and vacuum in leadership position, so me has composed 12 point plan for good happy success.
RotS movie versions are heavily watered down compared to the books though. Iirc Luke and Jacen were fighting so fast even other Master level Jedi couldn't keep up with the fight. They only could guess what was going on because of the flashes of their sabers.
Legacy of the Force right? I'm pretty sure they fought at one point and no one could keep up with what was going on.
I believe this was after Mara had gotten killed and Luke found out Jacen did it. They battled it out and both of them got banged up pretty bad. I believe the narration even mentioned they were beyond dueling, they were brawling at this point, throwing elbows and knees and everything else.
Finding the specific mention through nine books would be a monumental pain in the ass though.
I'm not sure about 'far faster', but yes, Luke is the beast saber duelist here.
Also, I'd question Bane's dueling speed as being above RotS Sids for that matter.
His rain feat is the uberest, but he has never (to my knowledge) displayed such an astonishing speed in an actual duel. In DoE Zannah matched him, as I am told.
Still, Bane is amazingly fast, but not beyond what Palps or perhaps even Dooku can perform.
__________________ Theory is like a box of tools. It must be useful. It must function. And not for itself.
Something already been explored: Bane likely gave Zannah chances to kill him, comparatively to his other opponents.
Another thing already been explored before: I believe there's been a few threads and discussions around here, where it's been highlighted that DoE Bane is superior to RotS Sidious - and quite possibly DE Sidious as well.
Again, the reason 90% of Debators understand that Bane's rain-feat makes him superior to Sidious, is because:
A: The speed, dexterity, reflex and agility needed to successfully dodge and block every raindrop in a pouring storm for ten minutes is monumental and ridiculous.
B: Both Dooku and Sidious (RotS and DE) have not been demonstrated to move with such speed and reflex.
So yeah, other than a few people around here, I was under the impression most people understood Bane was superior to Sidious.
Add to the fact that his other destructive abilities are, at least on par, with Sidious's anyway (other than his later DE Force Storm one, which is irrelevant, because it's ambiguous as to whether he can deploy it in close quarters and quickly, as well.)
Which, yes, does make Bane superior, at least significantly.
__________________ Originally posted by Arhael Okay, look. Um, me feels no agenda to meeting and vacuum in leadership position, so me has composed 12 point plan for good happy success.
'Two of the assassins were stopped in their tracks, knocked to the ground as if they had run into an invisible wall. Two more, weaker and less able to defend themselves against Bane's power, were sent flying backward. Only the fifth was strong enough to resist the Sith Lord's throw and continue his charge.
However, without his brethren at his side to harry and distract his foe, he found himself the sole focus of Bane's wrath. Unable to defend against the savage sequence of lightsaber cuts and thrusts, he fell in a matter of seconds, half a dozen fatal wounds scored across his chest and face.'
Fatally wounding an opponent half a dozen times in a few seconds.
'She fell into a defensive posture as she so often had during their training sessions. But this was no drill, and her Master came at her with a speed and ferocity she had never faced before. Giving in to his orbalisk-fueled bloodrage, he was like a wild animal, raining savage blows down on her from all angles, the strikes coming so fast it seemed as if he wielded a dozen blades at the same time. Zannah fell into a full retreat, desperately giving ground beneath the overwhelming assault.'
Seeming to wield a dozen lightsabers at once.
'She seemed to be everywhere at once-in front of Bane, beside him, behind him, circling low, leaping to come in high, deflecting his blade with one of her own then stabbing three quick times in succession at his eyes. The big man's head ducked and bobbed, twisting and turning to avoid her blows as he tried to mount a counteroffensive.'
Defending against and reacting to an opponent who's so fast she seems to be at least 3 places at once.
This is another textbook argument by consensus/appeal to the majority, patently fallacious reasoning.
There was a time here when the ancient Sith were touted as unquestionably supreme, when Nihilus was fodder for any respectable fighter, and when Bandon was leagues above Obi-Wan.
This fallacy and your reliance on it has been criticized by myself and Nephthys separately on multiple occasions and it doesn't change now.
The conclusion may be right (it isn't) but the basis for your support of it is hopelessly flawed.
Well, regardless of whether many others agree with the viewpoint or not, it has logical merit.
As well as after a time, we came to find that:
1. The ancient Sith at the time were primarily unknowns, and some based their apparent power of off the use of talismans and rituals - not necessarily applicable in conventional combat.
2. Darth Nihilus, while an unknown in lightsaber-combat, held a power great enough to kill virtually any Force user, other than the Exile, (amongst other gargantuan abilities we realized he had) thereby turning the tables in the situation and making practically any Sith Lord, fodder for Nihilus.
3. People apparently built on the Badon part, though.
- But yeah, I'm not trying to say my point is right, just because many people may agree with it.
I know my point is correct, because it flows in accordance with Canon. And previous threads which put these theories to the test, were shown through and in accordance with other people, to be true.
I cannot see anyone, even Luke offing someone like Dooku when he has teammates like Bane and Sidious supporting him. Also Sidious is> even DOE Bane imo.
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