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Are elements of autism random mutations that could result to beneficial evolution?

A few articles to read before posting (suggestion):

Savant Syndrome, associated with ASD.

Jake Barnett, victim of ASD, experienced and continues to experience abnormal increases in cognitive functioning throughout his lifetime.

Novel Imaging Technique Shows Gray Matter Increase in Brains of Autistic Children. Peered reviewed scholarly article.

There's an abstract for that article.

There's another abstract for that article.

Could Autism Be the Next Stage of Human Evolution?

Genius may be an abnormality.

As per the volatility necessary for survival in cro-magnum times, an autistic recently committed one of the most extreme acts of violence..suggesting autistics can shut off their empathy more extremely than normally possible. Even rodents with autism have displayed superior skills to non-autistic rodents in lab tests.

But that is an unnecessary addendum because modern times do not necessitate primal or animal-like behaviors and skills in modern society, so I will not link unless by request.


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/ffs not even touching it


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/ffs not even touching it


Why not? Weigh in. I'd read your post just for the sake of learning new stuff.


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is autism an evolutionary adaptive mutation?

c'mon ddm, you know why this is nonsense without me talking about autism

EDIT: please note, Dolos thinks that a learning disability he has, which is so non-pervasive he is able to use the internet apparently unassisted and discuss philosophy while being involved in regular education, is akin to autism and he can use this "savant syndrome" to learn anything instantly, akin to a super power. Again, you shouldn't need me to pick this apart at every possible level.


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Originally posted by Oliver North
is autism an evolutionary adaptive mutation?

c'mon ddm, you know why this is nonsense without me talking about autism


Not adaptive, random. And that's not the question, that's the matter of fact. The question is could it be beneficial?


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the answer in no

EDIT: lol, seriously, like really, what subject do you want this to demonstrate your ignorance in, because I can think of at least 2-3.


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Originally posted by Oliver North
EDIT: please note, Dolos thinks that a learning disability he has, which is so non-pervasive he is able to use the internet apparently unassisted and discuss philosophy while being involved in regular education, is akin to autism and he can use this "savant syndrome" to learn anything instantly, akin to a super power. Again, you shouldn't need me to pick this apart at every possible level.


Well that underlined portion is complete bologna.

You're ranting.


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Originally posted by Oliver North
the answer in no

EDIT: lol, seriously, like really, what subject do you want this to demonstrate your ignorance in, because I can think of at least 2-3.


You don't think it has any elements within it that could be advantageous? If you removed the disadvantages?


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Dolos
Well that underlined portion is complete bologna.

You're ranting.


lol, you don't think you are a savant?

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You don't think it has any elements within it that could be advantageous? If you removed the disadvantages?


lol, no, wtf... you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about


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If I don't, then enlighten me.

Why is that so terrible if I do? That's why we discuss ideas.

No reason to start in on me.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Oliver North
is autism an evolutionary adaptive mutation?

c'mon ddm, you know why this is nonsense without me talking about autism

EDIT: please note, Dolos thinks that a learning disability he has, which is so non-pervasive he is able to use the internet apparently unassisted and discuss philosophy while being involved in regular education, is akin to autism and he can use this "savant syndrome" to learn anything instantly, akin to a super power. Again, you shouldn't need me to pick this apart at every possible level.


I honestly thought you were saying you were not going to touch it for completely different reasons. no expression

Edit: Also, we would need probably 40,000 more years to see if some forms of autism were a successful evolutionary adaptation. Is that what you were getting at, above?


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Originally posted by Dolos
If I don't, then enlighten me.

Why is that so terrible if I do? That's why we discuss ideas.

No reason to start in on me.


because you have no idea what autism is and I don't want to get dragged into arguing your spirituality...


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I honestly thought you were saying you were not going to touch it for completely different reasons. no expression


lol, fair enough

you get what I'm saying right?

autism? adaptive? ......


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I never admitted to having autism either. I admitted to having a learning impairment, which doesn't necessitate autism exclusively.

That's a speculation you're presenting as fact. Regardless of what the facts are, your opinions on this matter seem emotionally driven.


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Originally posted by Oliver North
lol, fair enough

you get what I'm saying right?

autism? adaptive? ......


When did I use the word adaptive?

It's a chemical abnormality in the brain. That is a random thing, or it could be the result of something else, because it is a common disorder, very frequently diagnosed as opposed to when specialists lacked the knowledge they have today.


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Regardless of what the facts are, your opinions on this matter seem emotionally driven.


I'm going to be awarded my masters in psych in the next couple of months, take that as you want


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Originally posted by Oliver North
I'm going to be awarded my masters in psych in the next couple of months, take that as you want


Well, at least your opinions of me.

How much have you studied autism? Specifically high-functioning Asperger's syndrome.

The empirical test cited in three of the articles I posted does make a strong case toward at least one learning advantage related to savantism, that and the existence of Jake Barnett.


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Well, at least your opinion


done!


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Why would someone alter the text and subsequent point of another's post?


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autism? adaptive? ......


There are just too many kinds and severities of autism for me to weigh in on the topic with any sort of certainty. Also...the whole future thing being necessary despite the "predictive qualities of science."


Is DSM V out yet?


Edit - Google searched. Not out till later this month. How is autism going to be "done up" in DSM V? Aren' "they" moving to a sliding scale and collapsing it all into one label of autism?


And, lol @ the self-diagnosed "I have aspergers" people. I'm pretty sure that label is going away.


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