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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ooh, good feat.

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In any case, Loki wins here. Assuming everyone's fighting in character and Superman isn't blitzing from the start and out to kill (I.e. Superman not forum Supes).

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Originally posted by Surtur
Superman stomps, way too fast and he is strong enough to bench press the weight of the planet. Loki is ripped to pieces before he even knows what happened.



Pretty sure he only did it because King Thor kept him alive, not sure if he can do it on his own. Of course there may be other times it happened.



So essentially Loki only wins if Superman acts like a moron. What does that say about Loki?

Also, in character, Superman isn't opposed to using his speed. Show me a comic where he specifically notes this. It is in character for him not to kill, it is just lazy writing to suit the plot that he doesn't utilize his speed more. Superman himself has never been traumatized by the very concept of super speed, and given his personality why WOULDN'T he want to defeat a villain as quickly as possible? Less potential casualties and less collateral damage.

So it never makes sense to me when people legitimately feel this is a part of his character. That tells me they don't know anything about the guys personality.

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The first Avengers comic has Loki creating an ice wall to block Mjolnir at the speed of thought and redirecting radio waves...

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Originally posted by Digi

Debating Format

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

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Originally posted by -Pr-

Clarification of CIS

Ok people, here are the finalised rules as regards PIS, CIS, and everything related to it.

PIS is, as always, off unless the thread starter says it's ON.

CIS, as was said before, is now a more diverse term, but is not as vague as before.

While CIS still exists in the form of characters like Rhino (who are just too stupid to know better), it also exists in one other form.

This is known as Character Inhibited Power. This applies to characters that have intelligence, like the Silver Surfer, Superman, and so on and so forth.

As Bada said:

"It's a self imposed limitation in certain circumstances which there is concern for civilians and buildings for the most part. It's not stupidity, it's a limitation set until the threat exceeds a certain threshold."

What this means is that people like the Surfer and Superman and so on will not use the full extent of their powers if it will endanger civilians. It doesn't, though, mean they will fight like idiots. The character's personality is an integral part of the match and dictates how they will perform. This is the crux of the rules we've come up with. It doesn't come down to powers, it comes down to the man or woman that weilds them.

In accordance with this, several factors come in to play in debates:

The Opponent, Basic Information, the Arena and the Character's Personality and Experience

Those four are key.

Example:

If Martian Manhunter fights say, Juggernaut.

MM doesn't personally know Juggernaut (Opponent). So he has Basic Information. This is categorised as being what the general public would know about the Juggernaut. It goes by averages. If that average man or woman on the street knows that Juggernaut is super strong, then MM knows. The average man or woman doesn't know, however, that the Juggernaut is weak against psionics. J'onn would approach with caution, not knowing whether Juggernaut was in his weight class, and not knowing the full extent of the man's powers.

However. If Martian Manhunter went up against Amazo, he would know to go for broke right at the start, because he KNOWS Amazo (Personality and Experience). He will use his speed, his strength, his shapeshifting. This is because if he knows what it takes to bring down Amazo, or he believes his standard attacks won't work. If J'onn was fighting Juggernaut, there would come a point when he would realise that normal attacks won't work, and would up his game. Any character that doesn't suffer from Rhino-esque stupidity is capable of this. Even with this, though, the Arena comes in to play. If civilians are in danger, J'onn won't shapeshift in to a fire breathing dragon. Juggernaut on the other hand doesn't care, so wouldn't hesitate to toss cars and trucks full of civilians at the Martian.

Examples:

Thor knows he can't out-brawl Hulk, so uses exotic powers sooner than he would against the likes of Superman, as Superman is an unknown to him.

Superman would go all out against Doomsday or Despero because he knows how powerful they are. Against the Hulk, he's going to take a few punches before realising he'll have to use something rather than slugging it out. He won't bathe the street in heat vision either, because there are civilians nearby.

It ALL comes down to the CHARACTER, not the POWERSET.

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The first Avengers comic has Loki creating an ice wall to block Mjolnir at the speed of thought and redirecting radio waves...

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
[B]Lol. Superman does not blitz someone right off the bat unless he knows they can take the knocks.

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I hate you.