He's the strongest Sith Lord that we've seen thus far, insofar as a forum fight. He'd take any of the others lunch monkey, imo.
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"The Daemon lied with every breath. It could not help itself but to deceive and dismay, to riddle and ruin. The more we conversed, the closer I drew to one singularly ineluctable fact: I would gain no wisdom here."
Old news, and those Sith you mentioned are so old news. I've made it a mission to start collecting info on the EU.
There's so much out there, one Jedi in between ROTJ and the New Jedi Order series, I believe it was in the novel "Darksaber", subject 81 or something, channeled the Force energies of some 30 Jedi and used telekenesis to obliterate an entire fleet of 17 Imperial Star Destroyers! Sidious could some Force storms to consume entire fleets, Gethzerion (a Nightsister like Talzin) slaughtered hundreds of Storm Troopers and gave Luke Skywalker a stroke by tapping him in the forehead, the crazed Dark Jedi clone of C'boath mind ****ed Luke, Mara, Jade, and Leia simultaneously while manipulating Luke's battle with his clone - and was proven to be slightly more dangerous than Sidious in ROTJ along with Gethzerion. Exar Kun ripped Luke Skywalker's soul from his body, Kyp Durron blew Luke across a room when trying to test his Force sensitivity, and mastered Zannah's dark side tendrils, cryokinesis, and sith lightning to such a degree that he effortlessly disarmed Luke Skywalker before Kun removed his soul. Darth Vader could use Red Sith lightning through his cybernetics and both him and his son's abilities were increased a thousand fold due to the amp of the Kaiburr Crystal when wielded within the Temple of Pumajema (Son). Naga Sadow used his crystals to destroy entire stars, Vitiate obliterated close to a dozen Sith Lords in a flash of light after gaining powers and immortality from his ritual on Nathema - DE Sidious, Vitiate, and Nihilus all ended up deteriorating and unable to do much against noobs.
If you read the EU you will understand the complexities of the more esoteric abilities, and you'll realize that the Skywalker family had the greatest Force sensitivity followed by the descendants of Allya on Dathomir, followed by the Red Sith species. Thought the nature of Allyan Magickz allowed the Nightsisters to produce the more powerful Force wielders out of those three groups - especially when they used the dark side and siphoned off of Son's energy.
Ultimately, these deities were more powerful even than Force wielding celestials. In a non-canon story Anakin reaches his full potential in the Dark Side when possessed by Son similarly to how Exar Kun possessed Kyp Durron and Abeloth possessed her hosts. Then there are Luke's exploits in the New Jedi Order Series, when you combine all Luke's feats you get someone just like Son Anakin, able to overpower Abeloth at times.
Really, Darth Plagueis could have been stronger than all these little creatures.
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
Vitiate had far more raw power directly proceeding the act; and easily had the arcane knowledge to obliterate a hapless wound like Nihilus. Abeloth would rip either of them apart, she's needed to feed for millions of years to survive, and she cannot embody this realm anymore unless through a host.
Luke Skywalker as of FoTJ could harness enough light side energy to blow Abeloth's host apart and send here reeling back to the beyond shadows, Vitiate and Nihilus would prove even more defenseless against such a master of the light side.
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
Last edited by KillaKassara on Nov 14th, 2013 at 10:46 PM
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
You don't know a lot about Vitiate apparently. How would Bane or Kun combat a wound that's grown as much as Nihilus?
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
Nihilus is a spirit that's inhabiting his suit of armor, if you destroy his armor then logically he'd be vanquished. Also Kun has shown that he can use his amulet to combat spirits, so its possible that he could use it similarly on Nihilus to destroy him.
The Exile was a wound, and she destroyed Visas Marr, who shared a bond with Nihilus, Visas Marr's destruction as well as Nihilus' instinct to try and drain another wound lead to his being severely weakened.
Kun and Bane have prep?
Nihilus' weakness might be above Bane's head. Kun's glove would be destroyed by Nihilus' powers before he could get close - Kun doesn't have the power to resist Nihilus under normal circumstances. Vitiate did.
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
Nihilus' powers were possibly ample to destroy DE Sidous as well, Tempest. The energies of Byss would feed the wound as well as the Emperor, so that gives him no help. Sidious would have no idea how to deal with a being like Nihilus.
As Plagueis explained, there's a difference between having a profound academic knowledge of the dark side, and actually being able to wield the capabilities therein. Sidious contained all of what his master contained, and like his master he'd learned to become a spirit, but chose essence transfer over midi-chlorian manipulation. Sidious also grasped and utilized mass planetary Force drain, thought suppression, and could increase the power of his subjects - and could supposedly dominate the minds of whom he inhabited. Nihilus could do some of these, but was a wound and therefore immune to Force drain as was Meetra Surik.
Sidious' pool eventually surpassed Plagueis and all other "Sith", save Vitiate. Nihilus wasn't really a Sith, more of a being altered by the dark side, like Abeloth, but the mass shadow generator wasn't exactly like the Pool of Knowledge and both Vitiate and Abeloth were greater in power than Nihilus.
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
Last edited by KillaKassara on Nov 15th, 2013 at 12:30 AM
Sure, but that doesn't mean that he had to be weakened to be destroyed. You lightsaber him enough and he'd die weakened or not. In the end he was defeated in battle.
They don't need prep, its always the goal to destroy your opponents physical body, which in this case is Nihilus' armor. They'd fight him just as they would any other enemy. Plus they do both possess Force senses, so they could likely tell Nihilus is an abomination and act accordingly.
It might, but that doesn't matter since he'd still try to either slice him up with a lightsaber, or destroy him with his Force powers. As for Kun, thats debatable. And I only said they were equal to him, not that they'd win.
Nov 14th, 2013 09:05 PM
