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Finn was irrelevant in TLJ (Spoilers obviously)

The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to believe that Finn and his chubby asian girlfriend could've been cut out of the movie entirely and nothing would have changed.

1. Finn has no role in the opening space battle.

2. Finn and Poe's whole plan to get onboard Snoke's ship and cut off their hyperspeed tracker device fails and is ultimately rendered irrelevant, per the purple haired woman's and Leia's own plans to put the passengers onboard the rescue ships and send them to the rebel base planet.

3. Due to #2, every scene on the casino planet, including the padded alien horse racing stuff, could've been lifted out of the movie and nothing would change. Therefore, the entire "find the codebreaker" subplot was pointless.

4. Finn's attempt to sacrifice himself to stop the miniaturized death star cannon goes nowhere, given that the asian girlfriend not only prevents him from doing this, but keeps herself from dying in the process.

5. Finn and Rey have no meaningful character interaction in the film and he has no impact on her character development whatsoever.

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Yep. It's a big problem with the film. Hell, this whole subplot could have further been avoided if the Vice Admiral told Poe her plan.

With that said, I think Finn was more interesting here. In TFA he was pretty much just a comic relief character who fawned over Rey. Here at least he developed into his own character. Unfortunately, Rose is incredibly boring. She should have died.

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I'm not sure why every plot line always has to succeed. It's more of what Finn learned on his travels that's important. As Yoda said, "failure is the best teacher."

That being said, I think they maybe should have had Finn and Poe go on the mission to save time and focus more on main characters than introduce new ones.


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I'm not sure why every plot line always has to succeed. It's more of what Finn learned on his travels that's important. As Yoda said, "failure is the best teacher."


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But the plot line still need to be relevant. This one wasn't. It was just some silly side adventure. The only relevance it had to the story was DJ revealing the Rebels plans to escape to Crait, which doesn't make any sense as that plan is never communicated to him.

It also doesn't help that it was a shitty arc as well.

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Yep. It's a big problem with the film. Hell, this whole subplot could have further been avoided if the Vice Admiral told Poe her plan.

With that said, I think Finn was more interesting here. In TFA he was pretty much just a comic relief character who fawned over Rey. Here at least he developed into his own character. Unfortunately, Rose is incredibly boring. She should have died.
Yeah, I don't think Admiral Holdo and Poe really needed to be at odds, especially given that he doesn't appear to have learned any lessons as a character anyway and is still as gung ho as ever by the final battle. If anything, them working together could've helped to legitimize the whole casino planet arc and they both could've agreed that sending the passengers out on the escape ships was a last resort.

I was fond of how Finn had progressed from TFA self and think his self-sacrifice would've been a powerful and effective end for him (if not for this being the second movie in a trilogy). Not sure why they kept Rose (asian girl?) alive. If anything, as far as Finn's arc is concerned, I think she has served her purpose.
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I'm not sure why every plot line always has to succeed. It's more of what Finn learned on his travels that's important. As Yoda said, "failure is the best teacher."

That being said, I think they maybe should have had Finn and Poe go on the mission to save time and focus more on main characters than introduce new ones.
It didn't have to succeed, it just needed to be of significance to the plot. For example, in the process of Finn's plan failing, DJ (once again changing loyalties) could've hacked the First Order records and informed Finn and Rose about the location of the nearby planet with an abandoned First Order outpost with enough abandoned military supplies and equipment for the rebels to temporally hide behind. Finn would transmit this information to Poe and Poe would them come up with the plan for the rebels to escape this planet and use it as a temporary refuge while they call for Rebel reinforcements. Poe and the Admiral Holdo could then reconcile over their differences and Admiral Holdo, remorseful about her early act of cowardice (i.e. not the "she was in the right the entire time" excuse given in the movie) could then stay onboard the rebel ship and make the courageous sacrifice she did in the movie. Bada bing, bada boom, Poe and Finn's plan to get on Snoke's ship is now relevant and significant to the plot.

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm not sure why every plot line always has to succeed.


Lmao.

It doesn't have to but it'd be rather nice if the story wants to actually be good. xD


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Ant's in the business of excusing everything wrong in TLJ just like he did with TFA. Now plots don't even need to succeed. Just the idea of a plot. Maybe Disney shouldn't have made a movie at all. Just give us a list of what everyone learned and called it a day.

1. It's all about the journey
2. Stand up for what you believe in
3. Bitches and shit but hoes and tricks
4. Don't get cut in half

And think of all the money they'd save.

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm not sure why every plot line always has to succeed. It's more of what Finn learned on his travels that's important. As Yoda said, "failure is the best teacher."

That being said, I think they maybe should have had Finn and Poe go on the mission to save time and focus more on main characters than introduce new ones.


Agreed here.
Also agree that Rose could have died, she is kind of annoying IMO. And Holdon being a birch to Poe was ridiculous. If she wanted to tease him about his demotion fine, but in the end she could have told him the plan.


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Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Ant's in the business of excusing everything wrong in TLJ just like he did with TFA. Now plots don't even need to succeed. Just the idea of a plot. Maybe Disney shouldn't have made a movie at all. Just give us a list of what everyone learned and called it a day.

1. It's all about the journey
2. Stand up for what you believe in
3. Bitches and shit but hoes and tricks
4. Don't get cut in half

And think of all the money they'd save.


Yet, you are in the business of ignoring everything right in TLJ, along with TFA. Even previously, you've said the plot sounds terrible and it "won't save Star Wars" for you, yet you sit here and give Ant shit (more than once now) for thinking it might be good but you can easily accused of similar confirmation/hindsight bias on your end.

You've already decided Star Wars is done:

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Plot sounds terrible. Execution might be nice, but it won't save Star Wars for me.


So it becomes tough to take your perspective on this seriously, as you're clearly biased. Like literally every film, artistic work, or whatever on this planet? There are fair criticisms and flaws. TLJ is not without them but still stands as a consistent and solid entry into the SW film universe.

Believe me when I say, no matter what they did, it would catch shit. Nostalgia, a slew of biases, and other factors will blind people to seeing and/or appreciating the value this film possesses as a fantastic film just as rose-colored glasses can do the opposite and blind people from seeing genuine flaws. People forget it goes both ways and some are on the heavy end of the rose-colored side and others are heavy on the shit-colored side and lose perspective that is as objectively-minded as possible.

You're on the shit-colored glasses end, FreshestSlice, so take care when you give people shit for being too much on the rose-colored glasses end.


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Yet, you are in the business of ignoring everything right in TLJ, along with TFA.

Yeah, no, I'm not.
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Even previously, you've said the plot sounds terrible and it "won't save Star Wars" for you, yet you sit here and give Ant shit (more than once now) for thinking it might be good but you can easily accused of similar confirmation/hindsight bias on your end.

That's because unlike you, I've actually talked to Ant and plenty of others about the film in detail, about what I thought was good and what I thought was bad. I think something the internet has largely failed in, is getting people to realize that they shouldn't speak about matters they know nothing about. In this case, you know nothing about my opinion about TLJ as an overall movie, just my opinion on some plot points. I'd suggest until otherwise, you'd refrain from commenting on said opinion.
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You've already decided Star Wars is done:



So it becomes tough to take your perspective on this seriously, as you're clearly biased. Like literally every film, artistic work, or whatever on this planet? There are fair criticisms and flaws. TLJ is not without them but still stands as a consistent and solid entry into the SW film universe.

Kek. Bias within itself is not a problem. Without bias of some form, which is a given when speaking on absolutely everything, you would never be able to approve or disapprove of something. "You're biased," is the absolute weakest defense there is. Right up there with, "And you're mean and smell." I don't like the plot of this movie precisely because it adds nothing to the "SW film universe," whatever that is. I mean really, nothing.

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Believe me when I say, no matter what they did, it would catch shit. Nostalgia, a slew of biases, and other factors will blind people to seeing and/or appreciating the value this film possesses as a fantastic film just as rose-colored glasses can do the opposite and blind people from seeing genuine flaws. People forget it goes both ways and some are on the heavy end of the rose-colored side and others are heavy on the shit-colored side and lose perspective that is as objectively-minded as possible.

Or, and this is just a thought, people have differing opinions, and what you consider to be an excellent addition to a great trilogy may in fact not be so much to them. Maybe they thought a story should follow traditional storytelling elements and build on what was before, closing plotlines when necessary before establishing new ones, and having the characters in it stay true themselves. Or have characters at all in some cases. Everything doesn't have to do with nostalgia. Some people just will not like the things you like, and part of being an adult is realizing this and getting over it instead of using your opinion within itself as a flimsy reason for your opinion to be the valid one. You can then actually discuss the issue on its own merits, as opposed to using it existing as a merit within itself. But hey, if they're going to get hate anyway, they might as well have told an actual story, yeah?

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You're on the shit-colored glasses end, FreshestSlice, so take care when you give people shit for being too much on the rose-colored glasses end.

No, I'm not. But considering what I know about Ant, like him flat out telling us he doesn't care about the plot making sense, something he's gone on to repeat in this thread, along with his general, "10/10 no complaints!" to, "ZOMG, gais, I'm starting to have problems," to, "Nevermind, it's perfect again because I decided not to care," he's definitely what I said he was. Someone willing to disconnect from reality to excuse this movie. That's fully within his prerogatives, just like it's within mine to point that out.

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Yeah, no, I'm not.

I used it how I assumed you used it, which is not literally, especially considering Ant hasn't literally been ignoring everything himself, seen here in one example (there is more):
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That being said, I think they maybe should have had Finn and Poe go on the mission to save time and focus more on main characters than introduce new ones.

No doubt there were things he wasn't pleased about or thought could have gone differently just because he likes it so you're being as ridiculous as you think I'm being. Good job.

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That's because unlike you, I've actually talked to Ant and plenty of others about the film in detail, about what I thought was good and what I thought was bad. I think something the internet has largely failed in, is getting people to realize that they shouldn't speak about matters they know nothing about. In this case, you know nothing about my opinion about TLJ as an overall movie, just my opinion on some plot points. I'd suggest until otherwise, you'd refrain from commenting on said opinion.


This is legitimately awful, considering you've said concrete shit about the film itself and not just specific plot points. You did it in this post:

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." I don't like the plot of this movie precisely because it adds nothing to the "SW film universe," whatever that is. I mean really, nothing.


But...

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In this case, you know nothing about my opinion about TLJ as an overall movie, just my opinion on some plot points.



Your opinion is that, overall, you disliked the plot. You also say it adds nothing to the SW universe. I'm sorry but I don't need every last smidgen of detail regarding your perspective on this to make judgments about your attitude towards the film. Damn, I can't say anything because he didn't tell me what he thought of Rey's new hairstyle or whether Kylo looked beefy enough! I'm hooped! If I don't know everything, I cannot talk about anything!

Wake up.

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Kek. Bias within itself is not a problem. Without bias of some form, which is a given when speaking on absolutely everything, you would never be able to approve or disapprove of something. "You're biased," is the absolute weakest defense there is. Right up there with, "And you're mean and smell." I don't like the plot of this movie precisely because it adds nothing to the "SW film universe," whatever that is. I mean really, nothing.

No, bias isn't a problem unless it is clear and obvious. For example, "you're clearly biased" implies that directly. Let's say we're discussing racial prejudice, as an example. It's like saying someone is "clearly prejudiced" when we all know everyone is literally prejudiced, in that way, one way or the other. We know we are discussing something that is OBVIOUS and likely problematic when we make that kind of statement. It's the same here. Now that you understand that, you can move on from it.

You were prepared to dislike this and mentioned SW was dead to you already. This is a clear indicator this film had no opportunity at a rational analysis from you. You were prepared to dislike it and came out disliking it. You think you have to suddenly get into specifics about the entire film to make that clear? That's laughable shit.
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Or, and this is just a thought, people have differing opinions, and what you consider to be an excellent addition to a great trilogy may in fact not be so much to them. Maybe they thought a story should follow traditional storytelling elements and build on what was before, closing plotlines when necessary before establishing new ones, and having the characters in it stay true themselves. Or have characters at all in some cases. Everything doesn't have to do with nostalgia. Some people just will not like the things you like, and part of being an adult is realizing this and getting over it instead of using your opinion within itself as a flimsy reason for your opinion to be the valid one. You can then actually discuss the issue on its own merits, as opposed to using it existing as a merit within itself. But hey, if they're going to get hate anyway, they might as well have told an actual story, yeah?


Value is subjective. From my perspective, the shit-colored glasses people in question are missing the value that the film possesses. I'm not saying it has objective value here, considering the subject matter of what we're discussing. As in, it should be axiomatic? It doesn't matter, regardless. I've mentioned how this blindness can go both ways because it's true. You've decided to ignore this so you can falsely accuse me of not seeing that people have different opinions. Laaaaaaaame, man.

For example, saying they didn't tell an "actual story" is missing that value. As in, it's not "real" because you don't favor it. Yet, me mentioning that, from my point of view, people who are heavily slamming it are missing the value, is worse? How does that actually function in your brain?

WAIT! This is all invalid! I don't know your thoughts on the "overall movie." Except that the characters aren't true to themselves. Oh, and that the story is shit or they didn't tell a genuine one. Or that the plot sucked and added nothing to the SW universe.

I'm dead, chief.

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No, I'm not. But considering what I know about Ant, like him flat out telling us he doesn't care about the plot making sense, something he's gone on to repeat in this thread, along with his general, "10/10 no complaints!" to, "ZOMG, gais, I'm starting to have problems," to, "Nevermind, it's perfect again because I decided not to care," he's definitely what I said he was. Someone willing to disconnect from reality to excuse this movie. That's fully within his prerogatives, just like it's within mine to point that out.


He said not every plotline has to succeed and it took it way out of context. You're half-right because it's fully within anyone's prerogative to grossly misunderstand someone else to misrepresent them. I mean, you are purposely taking his "10/10 no complaints" post at utter face value, which is absolutely absurd to me. He obviously has complaints, as I've shown, and takes some issues but won't have many, due to the fact he considers it excellent. It's similar to how your positive takeaways from this film won't come close to exceeding the negative takeaways because of your obvious (and preemptive) dislike of this film.

He has given thumbs up to certain criticisms and also mentioned some plot points might grow on him that he doesn't favor. Why ignore this to hamfist some stupid narrative about someone? Ant has something major going for him that you do not and that would be he didn't write the film off before it came out and you did. SW is already dead, remember? TLJ couldn't save it for you, even though you hadn't seen it yet. Amazing.

I love your patronizing rant about people being adults and accepting other people's opinions, yet you say Ant is "disconnecting from reality to excuse this movie" because he thinks it's amazing and you don't. You're a clown, dude.


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I mean, if you think about it Han and Leia's plot in ESB was just them trying to escape the Empire and ultimately failing. Finn's plot at least had him trying to proactively solve a problem instead of merely running away.


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I mean, if you think about it Han and Leia's plot in ESB was just them trying to escape the Empire and ultimately failing. Finn's plot at least had him trying to proactively solve a problem instead of merely running away.
Han and Leia's plot of escaping lead them to Bespin. Them being on Bespin enabled Vader to set his trap for Luke. In other words, relevant and significant to the plot. The whole dragged out "find the codebreaker" subplot has no plot significance and could be omitted entirely from the movie with some basic editing. And with some clever edits, you can take Finn and Rose out the movie completely without impacting the plot.

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If they hadn't of pulled in the codebreaker the escape plan would have worked because he wouldn't of snitched. Their plot had relevance because of that and because of how it develops the characters and the themes of the movie. Sometimes going off half-cocked because you think you know best is the wrong move and screws things up. Their plotline also added a lot of world building and nuance to the film imo.


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If they hadn't of pulled in the codebreaker the escape plan would have worked because he wouldn't of snitched. Their plot had relevance because of that and because of how it develops the characters and the themes of the movie. Sometimes going off half-cocked because you think you know best is the wrong move and screws things up. Their plotline also added a lot of world building and nuance to the film imo.
The movie even renders the DJ double cross moot. Before DJ even reveals his double cross agenda, Poe tells us that the escape attempt is suicide since The First Order would spot them immediately. Nothing about Leia and Holdo's plan contradicts this. Given that and the close proximity which Crait was from their ship, we get the same result, instead with an officer telling Hux "the resistance appears to be abandoning ships and appear to be heading towards that nearby planet sir" with Hux responding "Rebel fools. Pursue them at once."

Will agree to disagree on the thematic value of Finn and Rose's misadventures. There's certainly a degree of good humor, good world building and great character development involved in Finn and Rose's little sidequest, but anytime you can cut a sizable chunk of the movie out of the movie without affecting the plot, it's not good storytelling IMO.

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Um, the transports were cloaked. They totally would have gotten away scot free if not for Finn and Poe setting up a desperate scheme, trusting a random scoundrel and blabbing about their plans in front of him.

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"Was thinking a bit about what seems to be one of the most disliked sequences in the film: the casino planet sequence.

As a self-contained sequence it does feel a bit divorced from the rest of the film, but that's mostly due to aesthetics.

However, it's far from pointless.

Finn and Rose go there because they, along with Poe, are overcome by hubris, something that the film discusses very openly. They're paranoid that the Laura Dern stand-in general character is either making a bad decision or actively sabotaging the rebellion because she's keeping a cool head and seemingly doing things by the books rather than trying to be a cool ass hero, which they all aspire to be.

So, they hatch this insane plan with little to no chance of success. Because that's what heroes do, and heroes always succeed even when the odds are stacked against them, because they're heroes!

So, Finn and Rose go gallivanting on this wild adventure and end up smashing up the bourgeoisie because it's the right thing to do. Poe stages a mutiny and takes control of the ship from the apparently callous and non-caring Laura Dern and company because it's the right thing to do. This. Is. What. Heroes. Do. Hell yeah ***** owned.

But, it all ends up ****ing everything up. They're messy as **** in their execution, and while they think they're being crafty and improvising, they're actually settling for sub-par results (Benicio Del Toro) and that ends up biting them in the ass in a very bad way.

This is an even more painful lesson than Luke rushing away from Dagobah to Cloud City. That only ended with Han getting frozen and Luke losing a hand. Meanwhile, this attempt at being cool heroes ended with most of the transport ships blown to bits, many lives being lost, and the rebellion being reduced to a tiny group who are then still pursued.

Taking risky big dog badass chances doesn't always end up turning over big rewards. They've got to weigh options with more care when possible rather than always shoot from the hip. You can go buck wild when you're backed into a corner and that's all you can really do, but don't actively put yourself in that corner. Poe didn't learn that in the first act. He thought the price of lives lost was worth it because they took out that dreadnought. But now even more lives have been lost and they've gained nothing. Hard lesson learned. War is costly and ****ed up in the worst ways. Don't **** it up even more because you have an ego."


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