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Rank the Mauls...
There are quite a few "versions" of Maul in canon. Rank all the versions from weakest to strongest, and please provide your reasoning for ranking them where you did.
Rebels Maul not instantly dying vs ahsoka might be maul's best feat tbh. Regardless, given what we've seen from season 7 its basically impossible for tcw maul to be significantly better than rebels maul, given tcw maul's parity with Ahsoka.
Also I wouldnt rank TPM Maul below Revival Maul. Although they are probably on a similar level. But TPM Maul was at the height of his physical combat training, showcased by him hunting (without his Saber) and physically grappling with Rathtars. Wheras Revival Maul was still in recovery from being being off the bench and basically in a straight jacket for 10+ years. Although those Chicken legs were pretty beastly, instantly dominating Opress.
Really? Because Filoni explicitly states that TCW Ahsoka "can compete on the level" of Maul. Why would she need to grow significantly to be in the same tier as someone she can already compete with?
Well, canon says she's "vastly more skilled" as of Rebels.
Does it? Here's what the quote says:
The quote doesn't say why maul should be put with ezra, so at this point, "maul>ahsoka" is merely an interpretation. I agree ezra's weakness can reasonably be used as an indication that maul is the best bet to "protect" ezra. But the why isn't clear here. I think if we're going to decide on a why, we should look at the context clues the quote provides us as well as what the source material shows us.
First lets look at the quote itself. Here's what comes after "weakest of the jedi."
First, "strength" seems to be used in the context of what is "used by the sith": aggression. Secondly, the quote alludes to the fact that Maul fights "without mercy or remorse", providing us a rationale for why "maul was the logical choice."
With that out of the way, let's look at how Maul "protects Ezra", thereby affirming himself as the "logical choice." https://youtu.be/Mbld0O1Dj_g?t=118
Firstly, Maul goads ezra into "using his strength". As a result Ezra starts driving the inqusitor back. This is an opponent that has consistently been potrayed as superior to ezra. Right off the bat we have a reason for maul being the logical choice that doesn't have anything to do with his power, with Maul's encouragement, Ezra stops being as weak. https://youtu.be/Mbld0O1Dj_g?t=154
Secondly, Maul is willing to choke and kill his opponents off the bat. Let's compare that to Ahsoka: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpXNOz-hbgA
Ahsoka has the 5th brother dead to rights multiple times, and passes up on a chance to kill the 7th sister. Does this make her "weaker" than Maul? No, not in a sense that would apply to a 1 v1 fight. It does however make maul a more "logical choice" to pair with ezra since with Maul's willingness to choke and outright kill his enemies off the bat provides more secure protection than Ahsoka.
My interpretation is supported both by the context of the quote, and the corresponding source material the quote describes for us. Therefore I'd argue it's the most "logical choice." :O
However, even if you don't accept that, what is clear is that the quote's meaning is up to interpretation, so in the absence of evidence that supports your interpretation of the quote(maul>ahsoka), you shouldn't use your interpretation as evidence.
You know what isn't up to interpretation? A vastly pre-prime ahsoka's contention with, what you just said, was Maul at his peak. Yes, even if you disregard the parity they display during their duel, Ahsoka can explicitly, by virtue of her own prowess, "compete on the same level" as Maul.
There is no specific dark side Nexus so far in Canon. Not the way they were in Legends where it amplifies the powers of dark siders only.
In fact If anything the one person who received a temporary Force amp on Malachor was Kanan. And hes a Jedi.
Now a more relevant point in the Rebels Ahsoka vs Maul fight would be that Maul was stranded there for Years, so is likely out of practice (again). But still the official site clearly indicates that he was still stronger than her.
Last edited by Darth Thor on May 20th, 2020 at 02:53 AM
Wow Rocky what a needlessly lengthy post in rebuttal to a couple of simple facts I stated.
Can compete by pushing her limits, and yet still being the inferior combatant, puts her in his league how?
What if Maul pushed his limits, then what? Witwer was of the opinion that Maul was unlikely to have been motivated enough in the fight to try his best, whilst Ahoska was fighting for Anakin.
We also know Maul wasn't even interested in killing Ahsoka "So the Apprentice needs a lesson"
Source and exact quote please. It's not that I don't trust you, but you do tend to make up your own head canon based on vague commentary.
In any case, if her skill had vastly improved, that would only further prove that Maul was vastly more skilled than her as of S7, given we saw them fight in Rebels, and there was clearly no Significant differential in skill either way.
The quote was self explanatory. You are overthinking it because you don't like it. Simple as.
Strongest paired with Weakest is the logical choice. Pretty simple really.
You're aware Ahsoka has the express purpose of capturing maul for interrogation on coruscant?
Yoda was at his upper limit before losing to Sidious. We still know he is in sidious's leagues because he can --compete on his level--.
Maul ceded ground ans was staggered back at the start of their fight. No, what I think you mean to say is that Ahsoka didn't end Maul's life in 50 seconds. This is not proof there wasn't a significant gap.
Okay then, cite the part that says maul is more stronger or more powerful than ahsoka.
Since it's self-explanatory, you are only allowed to use what it's in the quote.
This, for example, isn't in the quote.
Since my interpretation has evidence and yours, as far as I know, doesn't, I'm going to have to go with mine.
Last edited by Rockydonovang on May 23rd, 2020 at 02:59 AM
May 16th, 2020 12:54 PM
