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Black on Black - Murder of Fahim Salih in NYC

Suspect Is Charged With Grisly Murder of Tech C.E.O. Fahim Saleh

Mr. Saleh, 33, was found dismembered and decapitated inside his Manhattan apartment.

The former personal assistant of a young tech entrepreneur who was found decapitated and dismembered in his Manhattan apartment was arrested on Friday and charged with murder, the police said.

Full read: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/...von-haspil.html

Sad and ironic at the same time.

BLM right?

It should be ALM, and all should be accountable.

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Pretty terrible stuff.

Some people still have not gotten the memo that black people are humans and deserve life, too.


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Suspect Is Charged With Grisly Murder of Tech C.E.O. Fahim Saleh

Mr. Saleh, 33, was found dismembered and decapitated inside his Manhattan apartment.

The former personal assistant of a young tech entrepreneur who was found decapitated and dismembered in his Manhattan apartment was arrested on Friday and charged with murder, the police said.

Full read: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/...von-haspil.html

Sad and ironic at the same time.

BLM right?

It should be ALM, and all should be accountable.


Two questions and a statement:

"Black on Black", what is this supposed to mean here?

What does this have to do with BLM? As BLM is a movement targeting the issue of police violence against the Black community in the US. Which is a problem.

"All Lives Matter" is a racist agenda meant to undermine the purpose of BLM. Yes, all lives do matter, but that does not address the systemic racism in America.


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Two questions and a statement:

"Black on Black", what is this supposed to mean here?

What does this have to do with BLM? As BLM is a movement targeting the issue of police violence against the Black community in the US. Which is a problem.

"All Lives Matter" is a racist agenda meant to undermine the purpose of BLM. Yes, all lives do matter, but that does not address the systemic racism in America.


Are you f-n serious, 10 unarmed black lives lost in a year from police, more ppl killed in one weekend of chicago violence.

Police get killed all the time far far more then unarmed black men, let's just stop this bullshit.

You have to be some brain dead ass clown to believe that the problem with blacks is police in their community.

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Are you f-n serious, 10 unarmed black lives lost in a year from police, more ppl killed in one weekend of chicago violence.

Police get killed all the time far far more then unarmed black men, let's just stop this bullshit.

You have to be some brain dead ass clown to believe that the problem with blacks is police in their community.


This is another distraction from the purpose of BLM. People do realize the problem with gang violence, it's why major cities have police tasks forces specifically aimed at combating gang violence. eg Chicago just implemented a new unit/strategy to combat gang violence

What does this have to do with systemic racism and the issue of police violence against Black people? There's also no reason people can't be concerned over both.

Maybe calm down with the insults and stop conflating things. What you're doing is essentially saying people shouldn't speak out against drunk drivers killing people because sober speeders kill more. Why not speak out against both as they're both legitimate problems.


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The thing I'm curious about:


What of majority black police units?


Surely, there is evidence whether black law enforcement results in less discrimination against citizens.


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I'm not conflating anything, BLM as a movement is one thing, BLM as an organzation is marxist. If we have seen anything that regardless of the need to reform police, police aren't a detriment to black communities.

You example is the opposite of what you are trying to explain:
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What you're doing is essentially saying people shouldn't speak out against drunk drivers killing people because sober speeders kill more. Why not speak out against both as they're both legitimate problems.


The percentage of black lives lost to police are so insignificant mathematically it's almost an insult to bring that up considering how many lack lives are lost to black violence. If you have agency, power, control you don't swat the bug you fix the problem. We know LESS then 10 unarmed black men were killed by police last year, yes lets fix that but stop with the retarded systemic issues when we know for a fact it is in the communities.

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Bro, you are.

No, it's not.

Again, why not both? Ignoring the systemic racism that leads to Black people being profiled and stopped for doing little more than walking or driving while Black won't make it go away. It doesn't have to end in death like Floyd or Taylor for it to be an injustice.


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Bro, you are.

No, it's not.

Again, why not both? Ignoring the systemic racism that leads to Black people being profiled and stopped for doing little more than walking or driving while Black won't make it go away. It doesn't have to end in death like Floyd or Taylor for it to be an injustice.


I've already gone balls deep on what I would like to see with police changes, I just get tired of listening to ppl pretend BLM is somehow just a police issue. We've already made the point that most black men die from black men, 10 unarmed black men were killed by police last year.

Lets just put that in perspective when we want to create change, if black on black crime caused 4k deaths do you defund the team that caused 10? If schools turn our shit numbers do we defund them or ask for more money? I want police reform, I hate to see smart ppl led by media that drive narratives that are trash.

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What does this have to do with BLM? As BLM is a movement targeting the issue of police violence against the Black community in the US. Which is a problem.


Stopping police brutality is not even a significant minority (no pun intended) of what BLM is about.

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BLM’s #WhatMatters2020 is a campaign aimed to maximize the impact of the BLM movement by galvanizing BLM supporters and allies to the polls in the 2020 U.S Presidential Election to build collective power and ensure candidates are held accountable for the issues that systematically and disproportionately impact Black and under-served communities across the nation.

BLM’s #WhatMatters2020 will focus on issues concerning racial injustice, police brutality, criminal justice reform, Black immigration, economic injustice, LGBTQIA+ and human rights, environmental injustice, access to healthcare, access to quality education, and voting rights and suppression.

This initiative will inspire and motivate people to ask themselves and their candidates are you really addressing What Matters in 2020?

Campaign Goals

1.
Vigorously engage our communities in the electoral process:

Millions of Black Americans are repressed within the democratic process, yet data shows Black voters tipped the balance in the 2018 midterm elections. Moving towards 2020, we seek to increase the power of our voices and votes.

2.
Educate our constituents about candidates and the issues that impact us most:

We will amplify and do a deep dive into the issues that affect our communities most and hold our candidates accountable on these issues.

3.
Promote voter registration among Generation Z, the Black community, and our allies:

Demographic shifts means that in the 2020 election, non-whites will account for a third of voters and one in ten voters will be members of Generation Z. We will encourage and provide resources for those seeking to vote.

Campaign Focus

BLM’s #WhatMatters2020 will focus on the following issues:

Racial Injustice
Police Brutality
Criminal Justice Reform
Black Immigration
Economic Injustice
LGBTQIA+ and Human Rights
Environmental Conditions
Voting Rights & Suppression
Healthcare
Government Corruption
Education
Commonsense Gun Laws


#BlackLivesMatter was founded in 2013 in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin’s murderer. Black Lives Matter Foundation, Inc is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada, whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes. By combating and countering acts of violence, creating space for Black imagination and innovation, and centering Black joy, we are winning immediate improvements in our lives.

We are expansive. We are a collective of liberators who believe in an inclusive and spacious movement. We also believe that in order to win and bring as many people with us along the way, we must move beyond the narrow nationalism that is all too prevalent in Black communities. We must ensure we are building a movement that brings all of us to the front.

We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, undocumented folks, folks with records, women, and all Black lives along the gender spectrum. Our network centers those who have been marginalized within Black liberation movements.

We are working for a world where Black lives are no longer systematically targeted for demise.

We affirm our humanity, our contributions to this society, and our resilience in the face of deadly oppression.

The call for Black lives to matter is a rallying cry for ALL Black lives striving for liberation.

In the years since, we’ve committed to struggling together and to imagining and creating a world free of anti-Blackness, where every Black person has the social, economic, and political power to thrive.

Every day, we recommit to healing ourselves and each other, and to co-creating alongside comrades, allies, and family a culture where each person feels seen, heard, and supported.

We acknowledge, respect, and celebrate differences and commonalities.

We work vigorously for freedom and justice for Black people and, by extension, all people.

We intentionally build and nurture a beloved community that is bonded together through a beautiful struggle that is restorative, not depleting.

We are guided by the fact that all Black lives matter, regardless of actual or perceived sexual identity, gender identity, gender expression, economic status, ability, disability, religious beliefs or disbeliefs, immigration status, or location.


Everything I found was copied and pasted directly from their site from multiple locations:

https://blacklivesmatter.com/



While not making an overt objective that is widely talked about, sprinkled throughout their very own website is wording about their beliefs which DOES include improving the conditions in their communities and decreasing the black lives lost for all reasons which includes police brutality, lack of education, being poor, etc.

This includes black on black violence but they refuse to directly call it that. They make no secret about wanting to bring the black communities together to fight for each other, not with each other in their speeches, however. So it's not so easy for them to hide in when they are "live."



The often repeated concept of "Black Lives Matter is not an organization about stopping black on black violence!" is a lie. That phrase comes in many forms but you get the point.

While I don't agree with every point from BLM, they are fighting for some good causes. They are a racist organization at the top: no doubt. There are far better pro-Black charity groups in this world than BLM, as well. The simple fact that they want to do the thing that has caused the most problems for the black community - destruction of the nuclear family creating over 70% of black single-parent homes - should speak volumes about their real efficacy.


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Lets just put that in perspective when we want to create change, if black on black crime caused 4k deaths do you defund the team that caused 10? If schools turn our shit numbers do we defund them or ask for more money? I want police reform, I hate to see smart ppl led by media that drive narratives that are trash.


We can certainly tackle both issues:

Police Reform

Science-based solutions to Black on Black violence.


By also addressing police reform to save more black lives, we also help the significantly larger number of white people who are killed by police. Proportional to violent crime, white people killed more often than black people by the police.


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Acknowledging and owning one's 'shadow' is not an easy task, whether it be a person, a demographic, or a nation. But it's necessary for health and wholeness. As a nation, this is what the United States has been going through for decades, and will likely continue for decades to come.

I hope that BLM will confront its shadow, and not succumb to substituting one double-standard of prejudice for another. Often I do see the former, but I've also caught whiffs of the latter.


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Before the All Lives Matter movement can be taken seriously we have to take the Black Lives Matter movement seriously.

They have been the most victimized, and yes, thats all it's about, which one is the most victimized, they're allowed this.


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Before the All Lives Matter movement can be taken seriously we have to take the Black Lives Matter movement seriously.

They have been the most victimized, and yes, thats all it's about, which one is the most victimized, they're allowed this.


They aren’t allowed shit, when they kill each other far more than any entity has, while being only 13% of the population.

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Suspect Is Charged With Grisly Murder of Tech C.E.O. Fahim Saleh

Mr. Saleh, 33, was found dismembered and decapitated inside his Manhattan apartment.

The former personal assistant of a young tech entrepreneur who was found decapitated and dismembered in his Manhattan apartment was arrested on Friday and charged with murder, the police said.

Full read: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/...von-haspil.html

Sad and ironic at the same time.

BLM right?

It should be ALM, and all should be accountable.


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They aren’t allowed shit, when they kill each other far more than any entity has, while being only 13% of the population.


Its almost as if theyre a minority suffering from decades of social inequality.

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Its almost as if theyre a minority suffering from decades of social inequality.



So are the Native Americans.


And they don't kill each other.


Anymore.


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So are the Native Americans.


And they don't kill each other.


Anymore.


But there is a massive drinking and domestic abuse problem within Native American communities.

Italians: domestic abuse, organized crime, drugs, alcoholism, violence
Blacks: drugs, organized crime, theft, violence
Irish: domestic abuse, some organized crime, alcoholism
Native Americans: domestic abuse, alcoholism
Quakers: zoophilia, homophobia, racism
Germans: fecalphilia, alcoholism, genocide
dadudemons: always being right, never being wrong, lonely on the moral high ground, everyone else is stupid, gas from the protein shakes

I could go on. Every demographic has their demons they fight.


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But there is a massive drinking and domestic abuse problem within Native American communities.

Italians: domestic abuse, organized crime, drugs, alcoholism, violence
Blacks: drugs, organized crime, theft, violence
Irish: domestic abuse, some organized crime, alcoholism
Native Americans: domestic abuse, alcoholism
Quakers: zoophilia, homophobia, racism
Germans: fecalphilia, alcoholism, genocide
dadudemons: always being right, never being wrong, lonely on the moral high ground, everyone else is stupid, gas from the protein shakes

I could go on. Every demographic has their demons they fight.



Irish and Italians?


But, social inequality! mad (You also forgot:

Jewish: Cheating on spouse, verbal/physical abuse on wife and kids.)


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Irish and Italians?


But, social inequality! mad (You also forgot:

Jewish: Cheating on spouse, verbal/physical abuse on wife and kids.)


Right.

"No Micks" and "No WOPs" used to be a thing. Black people were known for being hard workers who were reliable back in the day. "The Micks" were looked down upon and not seen as reliable as working age black men.

America has come a long way.


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