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Concerning Anakin's Force Ghost

Is there a legitimate canon (or even Legends) explanation as to why GL decided to switch out the appearance of Anakin's Force Ghost at the end of ROTJ from this:
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(The man he died as, who Luke had actually seen)


To this:
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(The man he was decades earlier, who Luke had never seen)


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Luke never saw Anakin looking like that (healthy Sebastian Shaw). He only saw burned Anakin.
In fact, Anakin never looked like that in his entire life. Anakin actually looked like Hayden at some point in his life so it makes more sense lore wise.
The other option would have been to have force ghost Anakin look like he did before he died (burned and deformed), but that would have looked terrible IMO.

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Sheev
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He was "healed" as a force ghost, but still clearly the same man that Luke held in his arms until he passed. Talking about the Sebastian version.

From a visual standpoint, Luke would have had no clue who tf the Hayden version even was. Just some kid he had never seen.

I don't understand the change.


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I would say this is probably some nostalgia fan-service, considering the generation at that time most likely saw the prequels first.

And this actually works well. In my case at least.

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I was never a fan of this unnecessary change, but the obvious 'fan service' aside, I think Lucas was going for more of a meta route with it.

Kenobi: "Your father was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker, and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed."

And several other sources also paint the picture that "Anakin" and "Vader" were, in essence, two completely separate characters.

So even though the older/Sebastian iteration of Anakin had been fully redeemed upon his death, GL opted to have him appear as the man he was before his fall to the dark side. Before he was "destroyed" by the Vader persona.


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Sheev
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Right. I'm just saying that old man Anakin had been completely redeemed after his sacrifice in ROTJ. He was good again. He was a Jedi again. That's also the last version of him that Luke saw, so why de-age him by decades into a version that Luke was unfamiliar with?

Just like how Kenobi only appeared as an old man, and Yoda only appeared in his decrepit ROTJ form.


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One possible reason I can think of is that a Force ghost can choose how they appear. I mean, there's not exactly hard rules about how someone who exists in the Force presents themselves. If I'm not mistaken, Luke appears as a younger version of himself to Cade Skywalker instead of showing up as an old man as well.

Anakin probably chose to manifest himself how he last remembered himself as "Anakin." The redeemed Vader never really saw himself, with his ruined body in the suit, as "Anakin," and he never got to see what a fully healed version of his older body would look like. To Vader, whenever he thought of Anakin, he would have been remembering how he looked in RotS. So that's probably how he chose to manifest.

Luke was going to be unfamiliar with Anakin's appearance either way. Sebastian Shaw looks radically different with and without the scarred Vader make-up. Borderline unrecognizable. So as long as he was showing up in a healed body anyway, it might as well be as the more recognizable version of Anakin, both for fans and for Anakin himself.

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I was never a fan of this unnecessary change, but


But you will be if you think of Force ghosts working in a similar manner as Galactus.

Some see Shaw, some see Hayden... shifty


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The explanation for all changes to the OT post theatrical release is the same. Lucas is a hack.


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Originally posted by Underachiever59
One possible reason I can think of is that a Force ghost can choose how they appear. I mean, there's not exactly hard rules about how someone who exists in the Force presents themselves. If I'm not mistaken, Luke appears as a younger version of himself to Cade Skywalker instead of showing up as an old man as well.

Anakin probably chose to manifest himself how he last remembered himself as "Anakin." The redeemed Vader never really saw himself, with his ruined body in the suit, as "Anakin," and he never got to see what a fully healed version of his older body would look like. To Vader, whenever he thought of Anakin, he would have been remembering how he looked in RotS. So that's probably how he chose to manifest.

Luke was going to be unfamiliar with Anakin's appearance either way. Sebastian Shaw looks radically different with and without the scarred Vader make-up. Borderline unrecognizable. So as long as he was showing up in a healed body anyway, it might as well be as the more recognizable version of Anakin, both for fans and for Anakin himself.
So even though he was completely redeemed and back to Jedi status at the end of ROTJ, you think he'd revert back to his Anakin form?

If that's the case then why wouldn't Yoda have reverted back to his TPM or High Republic look? To before he completely failed the Order?


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Originally posted by Underachiever59
Anakin probably chose to manifest himself how he last remembered himself as "Anakin." The redeemed Vader never really saw himself, with his ruined body in the suit, as "Anakin," and he never got to see what a fully healed version of his older body would look like. To Vader, whenever he thought of Anakin, he would have been remembering how he looked in RotS. So that's probably how he chose to manifest.
That would makes sense as well.

Taking a page from The Matrix, it could just be more of a "residual self-image" sort of thing. Anakin appeared in his younger incarnation, because that is how he always remembered himself as a Jedi.

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If that's the case then why wouldn't Yoda have reverted back to his TPM or High Republic look? To before he completely failed the Order?
Because Yoda didn't have two completely distinct/separate personas?


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Originally posted by Tzeentch
The explanation for all changes to the OT post theatrical release is the same. Lucas is a hack.


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Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I would say this is probably some nostalgia fan-service, considering the generation at that time most likely saw the prequels first.

And this actually works well. In my case at least.
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Originally posted by Sheev
He was "healed" as a force ghost, but still clearly the same man that Luke held in his arms until he passed. Talking about the Sebastian version.

From a visual standpoint, Luke would have had no clue who tf the Hayden version even was. Just some kid he had never seen.

I don't understand the change.

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