both of the chocolate factory movies were just ...different... but the new one .. was just a very Tim Burton movie... i was just waiting for Edward Scissorhands to come out of the creepy factory (that almost reminded me of the creepy castle from ed scissorshands)... o well... blah...
There's absolutely nothing suggesting Tim Burton did this movie, IMO. Virtually every single one of his movies, you can tell it was his, aside from "Big Fish" and "POTA". He didn't even make the pinwheels on the lollipop black and white, which would have said SOMETHING!
Surprised even you liked it. Did Danny Elfman score those horrible Oompa Loompa musical numbers?
Let me share a caption from my other Wonka rant. Bardock asked me what was wrong with the film;
I mean, christ. Willy Wonka licking blood off of a sword?
Last edited by Cory Chaos on Jul 30th, 2005 at 11:48 PM
First of all, I hated the original. The original does nothing for me, all the singing and happiness, ugh.
This one, I just loved. It was a lot weirder and hilarious.
Oh, and C-Dic, Danny Elfman did the Oompa Loompa songs too. Tim Burton asked him to make the most annoying song he can. Elfman came up with "Willy Wonka, Willy Wonka, the amazing chocolate-teer" which he did on his own and Burton liked it and kept it as is.
Happiness in the original? The original is the one that's the darker of the two. Wonka showing no remorse for kids and their greed, never knowing what became of them. The weirdness of this new fangled version is uncomfortable, and it alienated me from the movie because it was so contrived, as if he went out of his way to make people feel uncomfortable and immature for watching Depp play Michael Jackson in a candy factory. Especially in the choreographed dance numbers with the OL's in those Puff Daddy outfits.
Worst movie I've seen all year, I'm standing by it, and I've made it more than evident why I feel that way. Maybe if Burton did some drugs, it could have been as effective and fluid as the original.
Last edited by Cory Chaos on Jul 31st, 2005 at 03:37 PM
I thought this was a fabulous review of the movie, for people interested:
It is director Tim Burton's best film for years, miles better than the woeful Big Fish or Planet of the Apes. He cleverly serves up an authentic Dahlian gloop, mixing a dash of sentimentality with a quart of satirical grossout, to which generations of young readers have gleefully responded. I couldn't help remembering Ian Carmichael, in I'm All Right Jack, throwing up into a vat of chocolate mix after his tour of the sweet factory.
Burton gives everything a retro Day-Glo 1960s feel: Lucy in the Sky with Maltesers. The factory interiors are like sets for some forgotten, drug-influenced series of Ready Steady Go!; Wonka's servant race of factory-hands, the Oompa-Loompas, sing along to their own wackily celebratory choreography after each appalling child comes to his or her gruesome and well-deserved end. Alex McDowell's production design makes the Wonka factory, with its gaunt brickwork and smokeless towers, look a bit like the Thames Bankside power-station before it became Tate Modern, and the W-O-N-K-A lettering made me think he'd been inspired by the Granada Television building in Manchester.
Johnny Depp is terrific casting as Wonka, a dysfunctional dandy with a blunt topper covering a grown-out Beatles-mop haircut and a crushed velveteen jacket he appears to have bought at Lord John in Carnaby Street. As often as not, he wears weirdo sunglasses, like those 1960s black-and-white televisions resembling astronaut-helmets to be found atop white plastic stalks on shagpile carpets. He has dazzling dentures and his fastidious manner is a blend of Howard Hughes and a giggling, soft-spoken Michael Jackson. (There's also the tiniest hint of Mike Myers's Dr Evil wondering nervously if Mini-Me is "giving off that creepy Oompa-Loompa vibe".)
This is quite a scary account of the Dahl story - though no scarier, arguably, than strict fidelity to the great man requires - and much darker than the 1971 Gene Wilder version. That was a U certificate, and this is PG, and it's not really for little kids, more tweenies and young teens, and even they may not grasp how complicated are the emotions of a grown man dedicated to offering children sweets. Johnny Depp's Willy Wonka is a very distant cousin to Robert Helpmann's lolly-brandishing Child Catcher, inserted into the film version of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang after Roald Dahl was brought in to work on the script.
Depp's Wonka is rather droll and tolerant, more like a bachelor uncle or wealthy godfather than anything else, desperate for some young spiritual heir to understand his world-view - but airily content to preside over beastly children getting an awful comeuppance. Charlie is the only one of the kids to grasp the importance of thrashing cows to get the proper whipped cream: we get a glimpse of this outrageously Incorrect process in one of his white-walled preparation rooms. The story as it unfolds is strangely unnerving and unsettling, a mood Burton assists with some zany movie pastiches.
Disagree whole heartedly. Nothing in this movie suggests it was made by Tim Burton, and I've seen all his movies. These last three movies, he's been sacrificing his style for a paycheck. The family friendly bullshit has GOT to stop.
I'll be sure to mail Peter, because he's way off. That movie was about as dark as a supernova.
Last edited by Cory Chaos on Jul 31st, 2005 at 06:14 PM
Hell, no, I didn't watch that film again. I re-arranged the titles I've viewed so they'd all fit in my signature. That's all. I wouldn't see it again even if it were free. I did see "Fantastic Four" again last night, gave it the same rating, which would suggest I still enjoyed it, which I did.
but everytime someone comes in here and says they love it, doesnt mean you have to quote each person that says they love and tell them that you thought the movie was a piece of crap...meh... we all heard you the first time and the second... and the third...meh
I've yet to see it, however my friends have all seen it and recommend I see it. I love Tim Burton, and Johnny Depp, and I love Danny Elfman's scores, so sometime this week for me
In my reply to you, I didn't say anything about not liking it. This is the 2nd time you said something about it being "very Tim Burton". It's not, and if it was, make some examples.
The thread is discuss the movie, and that's what I'm doing.
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