"People like you I have no doubt would not mind it if he had 8 arms just as long as a spider--man movie is made,after all you obviously dont mind a few imperfections."
Honestly, I wouldn't have minded 8 arms as long as they told the story of Spider-Man. I love the story of Spider-Man. I love how most of his villans have intricate interesting stories. I love how Parker is always having to face problems that affect either Spidey or Parker. I love how difficult being Spider-Man has made his life. They made Spider-Man into the hero that most people would be like. The hero who has to protect not only his hero life, but his personal life at the same time. As long as they had gotten the character of Spider-Man and Peter Parker down I would have been happy.
I realize that they goofed on things. They didn't make him enough of a smart ass and they started the story with a different chick. But look at everything else. Those calling the movie Man-Spider are looking for an impossible thing. No studio would have been able to create the perfect retelling. You hated the Goblin suit, you hated the organic webbing, you hated the dialogue. Was there anything in the movie you enjoyed?
Think about this too. How many versions of Spider-Man are there? How many different comic titles deal with Spider-Man or his story? How many times have his origins been retold? I'm not sure myself, but I have a good feeling that it has been quite a few times. Every version has put their own spins on the story, whether it's an extremely small change, or to make his webbing organic, they all make their own changes. Sam Raimi made some changes, but was able to keep the movie based on the story of Spidey.
I also have read many times how much everyone hated the Green Goblin costume. I was not a fan of the bady suit, but I loved the mask. Look at Doc Ock, he doesn't look like in the comics at the beginning, but more than likely you hate how he looks too. Whatever. Again, I know I'm not gonna change either of your mind's, I just thought I would justify what I have said in previous threads and give you my opinion again on what happened in the movie.
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" Either you got logic and common sense like MSFIT does and sees that he is a monster now and his character is now MAN-SPIDER or you dont,no amount of explanation I see will get you to see that was the character of MAN-SPIDER on the screen.those other 3 posters obviously have an obsession with me and bakerboy for the fact that they felt the need to follow us here to this site,that is truely sad that just because they found out we post here,they felt the need to follow us here,they clearly have no lives."
Sorry to post again right after the last one but I had to comment on this.
It has nothing to do with logic, it has to do with what youa re willing to look past when trying to enjoy the movie. Logic would state that they changed one thing about the character, a thing that kept everything else unchanged, but didn't change the character. Illogic would say that they changed one thing about the character, and that thing made the character a total opposite of what he originally was.
Secondly, I think it is kinda sad on both sides of the argument have moved to another foum. I thin it's sad that you couldn't convince people on another post and tried to do it here, and I think it's sad that the other side has decided they couldn't convince you there so they might do it here. I honestly don't have time to look for another forum. I barely have time to write on this one. It has nothing to do with not having lives. It has to do with where you place your priorities. If you're gonna critizes people for following you to this site you have to look at how long you had been posting before they even showed up.
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Ha ha.for ONCE somebody admits that they will accept ANY kind of spider-man movie which is what you just did.Actually this isnt the first time I've seen somebody admit they will accept any kind of spider-man movie,at that other site,Ive seen people say-I would go see this movie if he didnt shoot out any webbing or if Doc Ock was a pink octopus.You just admitted what most others wont and deny, that you wouldnt have minded if they gave him 8 arms.
Hey I have seen posters there post about other sites they post at but you know what? I am not obsessed with those posters like these 3 are with me to go and follow those posters to those other sites they post at?Becausewhere they post at another site has absolutely nothing to do with me.I happen to love movies so this site being called KILLER MOVIES was a site I found very interesting to look at.I didnt come here just to talk about spider-man.If you look in the horror section,you will see where I am talking about the halloween movies that have been made also.I dont just talk about the spider-man movie here. I didnt come here to try and convince other people because most the posters at that other site have no logic what so ever.Plus at that spider-man site,the way these 3 posters found out I post here was because another poster who posts here made a thread about us in a section thats only to talk about the spiderman movie and upcoming spoilers,yet this poster is obviously obsessed with us also because he goes and creates a thread in that section telling people we post here.I mean thats pathectic.I mean geez,at least Im not going to go and make a thread to announce to everybody where a person posts at another site,especially if its in a section to only talk about the upcoming movie,thats just plain childish.
I guarantee you,if venom for life,his buddy and Godzilla found out we were posting here back in september,they would have joined then to. They'll even admit that I'm sure.What baffles me about those 3 that follwed us and what I think is so hysterical about them is how they have no logic at all.We stopped reading anything those 3 said to us a long time ago because they constantly engage in name calling all the time,yet they still address us after all this time. how do I know that if I dont read what they say? I have friends here at THIS site and at that site who keep me informed.Like I said,they obviously got some kind of problems or something the fact they still address us after all this time when we just ignore them all the time and stopped reading their posts a long time ago.
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thats ANOTHER reason why the organics are such a bad idea.It changes his character entirely. Just like he said,He wasnt a mutant before,NOW he is and that sucks.
" Ha ha.for ONCE somebody admits that they will accept ANY kind of spider-man movie which is what you just did.Actually this isnt the first time I've seen somebody admit they will accept any kind of spider-man movie,at that other site,Ive seen people say-I would go see this movie if he didnt shoot out any webbing or if Doc Ock was a pink octopus.You just admitted what most others wont and deny, that you wouldnt have minded if they gave him 8 arms"
You still don't seem to get it. I would have accepted an 8 arm Spider-Man if they could have explained it and got everything else right. I am willing to accept the webbing becasue they can explain it and I can ignore it to see how many other things were done so well.
I also have a question for you. Are you gonna see the next movie?
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yeah I'll see it so I can come back here and bash the next film. But after that,seeing as how this one looks as equally as dissapointing as the last one,I probably wont see anymore after that.
hey Parker i know who u are were u at the memory walk a couple of months ago and yo uactually saw and had your photo taken with John Glover
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and i am sure you were there didn't u have your pic taken with him
if i am wrong i appoligise i been drinking to much caffenie
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"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half.-----Sir Winston Churchill
They never did in the first movie either. The script was pretty weak at points, but I just don't think Dunst was the right decision for MJ. Peter is supposed to be akward around her, Mj is supposed to be outgoing and bubbly, I just don't think it was all the dialogue. Dunst was just wrong for the part.
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I think Tobey's wrong, not Kirsten. Tobey was too quiet and too awkward as Spider-Man. He shouldn't have been spouting one-liners as much as the comics or cartoons, but he definitely should've been a smartass. Jake Gyllenhaal would've been a much, much better Peter, and the fact that he's dating Kirsten would've added to their chemistry.
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The script was weak in points all right.Many of them.Yeah I think Dunst was wrong for the part also but I dont think it was all her fault though because the screenwriters made her character like Gwen Stacy more than anything else.They did the same thing they did with the 90's cartoon and got her character wrong making her more like Gwen Stacy and hardly anything at all like MJ.The wild party girl and flakey airhead she is suppose to be.None of which we saw in the film which was another major complaint of mine about the movie.
I also dont like how they are still continuing to rip off the superman franchise movies having Peter run in the alley ways with a suit and tie on opening up his shirt to show the spider insignia like Superman did.The movie lacked originality and stold many ideas from the superman movie and they seem to be even going further with it in this film which really sucks.I cant ever recall in issue in the comics where peter would run down an alley way wearing a suit and tie and change on the run.He usually always hid somewhere in the shadows to make sure he wasnt seen.Raimi just doesn seem to be doing anything original with this next film and is just copying off Superman even more so than he did with the first film from what I have seen of the trailer.
i noticed it too, and i was sort of disappointed but then they would have to show what the webbing was made out of... i think it is good as is... but i still wish they kept the web shooters... it is still a GREAT movie and true to many thing... like green goblin being the only one that knows that Spider-man is Peter Parker...
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" That'll be them, will it, Potter?"
He pointed with his thumb over his shoulder; his magical eye was evidently peering through the back of his hand and his bowler hat. Harry leanded and inch or so to the left to see where Mad-Eye was pointing and there, sure enough, were the three Dursleys, who looked positively appallled to see Harry's reception committee.
"Ah, Harry!" said Mr. Weasley, turning from Hermione's parents, whom he had been greeting enthusiastically, and who were taking it in turns to hug Hermione." Well-- shall we do it then?"
" Yeah, I reckon so, Arthur," said Moody.
He and Mr. Weasley took the lead across the station toward the place where the Dursleys stood, apparently rooted to the floor. Hermione disengaged herself gently from her mother to join the group.
" Good afternoon," said Mr. Weasley pleasantly to Uncle Vernon coming to a halt right in front of him. " You might remember me, my name's Arthur Wealey."
As Mr. Weasley had singlehandedly demolished most of the Dursley's living room two years previously, Harry would have been very surprised if Uncle Vernon had forgotten him. Sure enough, Uncle Vernon turned a deeper shade of puce and glared at Mr. Weasley, but chose not to say anything, partly, perhaps, because the Dursley's were outnumbered two to one. Aunt Petunia looked both frightened and embarassed. She kept glancing around, as though terrified somebody she knew would see her in such company. Dudley, meanwhile, seemed to be trying to look small and insignificant, a feat at which he was failing extravagantly.
" We thought we'd just have a few words with you about Harry." said Mr. Weasley, still smiling.
" Yeah," growled Moody." About how he's treated when he's at your place."
Uncle Vernon's mustache seemed to bristle with indignation. Possibly because the bowler hat gave him the entirely mistaken impression that he was dealing with a kindred spirit, he addressed himself to Moody.
" I am not aware that it is any of your business what goes on in my house-"
" I expect what you're not aware of would fill several books, Dursley," growled Moody.
" Anyway, that's not the point," interjected Tonks, whose pink hair seemed to offend Aunt Petunia more than all the rest put together, for she closed her eyes rather than look at her." The point is, if we find out you've been horrible to Harry--"
"-- and make no mistake, we'll hear about it," added Lupiin pleasantly.
" Yes," said Mr. Weasley, " even if you won't let Harry use the felly tone--"
" TELEPHONE," whispered Hermoine.
" Yeah, if we get any hint that Potter's been mistreated in any way, you'll have us to answer to," said Moody.
Uncle Vernon swelled ominously. His sensed of outrage seemed to outweigh even his fear of this bunch of oddballs.
" Are you threatening me ,sir" he said, so loudly that passersby actually turned to stare.
" Yes, I am," said Mad- Eye, who seemed rather pleased that Uncle Vernon had grasped this fact so quickly.
" And do I look like the kind of man who can be intimidated?" barked Uncle Vernon.
" Well..." said Moody, pushing back his bowler hat to reveal his sinisterly revovling magical eye. Uncle Vernon leapt backward in horror and collided painfully with a luggage trolley. " Yes, I'd have to say you do, Dursley."
He turned away from Uncle Vernon to surey Harry. " So, Potter... give us a shout if you need us. If we don't hear from you for three days in a row, we'll send someone along...."
Aunt Petunia whimpered piteously. It could not have been plainer tht she was thinking of what neighbors would say if they caught sight of these people marching up the garden path.
" ' Bye, then, Potter," said Moody, grasping Harry's shoulder for a moent with a gnarled hand.
" Take care, Harry," said Lupin quietly. " Keep in touch."
" Harry, we'll have you away from there as soom as we can," Mrs. Weasley whispered, hugging him again.
" We'll see you soon ,mate," said Ron anxiously, shaking Harry's hand.
" Really soon, Harry," said Hermione earnestly." We promise."
Harry nodded. He somehow could not find words to tell them what it meant to him, to see them all ranged there, on his side. Instead he smiled, raised a hand in farewell, turned around, and led the way out of he station toward the sunlit strret, with Uncle Vernon, Aunt Petunia, and Dudley hurrying along in his wake.
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I can say for sure that Spider-Man isn't even close to the worst comic book movie of all time. Mr Parker, have you seen the first Captain America movies, the first Punisher movie, and Superman 3? I personally thought Spider-Man is the best of all the recent comic book movies, but I'll also be the first to count off the many flaws in the film.
I would--and have-- go to see a Spider-Man film I thought would be terrible, if only just so I could complain in detail about how badly they fumbled the ball. I would see it, but not necessarily approve of it.
Spider-Man impressed me, because I went in with low expectations. Looking back, the mistakes they made really grate on my nerves.
The organic web-shooters were a terrible idea concocted by James Cameron, who wrote an atrociously inappropriate script for the movie. Thankfully, they didn't use it, but they kept the web mutation. I hated this, but in the movie I didn't mind it as much as I thought I would because they drew so little attention to it. The only advantage to having organic web shooters that I think was worth considering is the bulkiness of his costumed wrists. This way, no need to explain why his wrists are smooth as in the comics but there are supposed to be bracelet-gadgets there. I still would have preferred the real deal, but I found much more disturbing mistakes in the film.
I hate the fact that so many people saw Peter do Spidey-type things and also take off his mask, and then 3 months later, no one thinks to identify the new vigilante in town as the kid who was doing triple somersaults in public. This was inexcusable on the writers's part. Peter keeps his identity secret as much as possible, period.
Spider-Man should definitely have gotten more lines. Peter Parker's dialog was atrocious at times and he should have had much less personal disclosure than he did. Most importantly, Spider-Man is a smart-talking alter ego for the shy and unpopular Peter, and he should have shot his mouth off like a machine gun. Instead, he said almost nothing, and when he did speak, his jaw didn't move. Even the cartoon Spider-Man's jaw moved.
Norman Osborn was brilliantly acted. The Green Goblin was horribly costumed--although if they were going to use that awful suit, I respect that they had a valid reason for Osborn having access to it. The military connection was a realistic touch. Still, the costume was unforgivable. The Goblin is *supposed* to look fruity and ridiculous. That's why he's so scary when he actually does something really nasty to Spidey's life. You don't see it coming. The character of the Green Goblin was completely underdeveloped. So the Goblin took out Norman's opposition for him. Great. Now what? Why is he still active? What are his goals? I know he was insane, but the comics Goblin was, too, and he had goals. He was out to become the kingpin of New York by taking over all the gangs. They should have at least tried to mimic this in some form in the film.
Mary Jane's character was portrayed incompetently. Where's the bubbly, partying, vivacious MJ that Peter met? Oh, wait, let's make her the girl next door and have Peter pine over her since age six. How absolutely hackneyed and uninteresting. The dialog between those two was beyond sickening and a waste of screen time. I could have been laughing at battle-scene quips or Parker's comedic bad luck, instead of squirming at the cheesy drivel coming out of the talented but underused Tobey Maguire. And Spidey saves MJ 3 times? 4 if you count the lunch room scene? That's a predictable and novice way to write the story. It sounds like another thing stolen from Superman (the whole Lois Lane syndrome). The ending was too heavy-handed. Mary Jane would never say "I love you, Peter Parker" like that this early in her life. She's not that type of person. They could have made the point clear without making it so heartbreaking, but at least it is true to the spirit of Spider-Man: Parker broods at the end of the issue and feels sorry for himself.
And the ending CGI sequence was the best scene for me. If you pay attention to the way he web-swings throughout the movie, you'll see that's his evolution. He starts out clumsy and scared, gets better at it, and by the end, he is swinging exactly the way comics Spidey would. Such an awesome visual, I swear. Okay, back to bitching.
Mary Jane was used as the main love interest because Ultimate Spider-Man and the cartoon feature her as a recognizable love interest. I understand they felt the need to have her so prominently in the film to appeal to a broad audience that doesn't know Spidey chronology. I would look past this if there was a valid way to pull of having the Goblin as the villain and MJ as the love interest if the Goblin is supposed to die in the first film. There isn't.
The show a montage of people commenting on Spider-Man. Why isn't Flash Thompson here singing Spidey's praises? That's the best thing about Flash-- the big oaf loves Spidey and hates Peter. Flash was miscast and portrayed incorrectly. I didn't want him to have a big part, just one that had impact.
I'm too tired to think of more things to ***** about. Anyway, I thought Spider-Man was better than X-Men 2, which I liked. Keep in mind that while Parker's webbing shouldn't have been a physical mutation, Raimi didn't bring the same attention to this disgusting phenomenon that Cameron would have. I read the script/treatment he wrote. It's hideous. Count your blessings they let Sam Raimi do this thing instead.
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Something I mentioned in an earlier post was that as cool as it would have been to have all the characters from the comics, it would just become way too much for one movie, even two movies. Each character needs screen time and having all of them would just either make the movie too long, or take away from the main thrust of the movie.
It would have been like a soap opera, having all those characters shoved into a two hour movie. I would prefer to have a well developed few characters rather than a ton of weak ones.
Excellent point about Sam not drawing too much attention to the webbing. I think that he was the best thing that could have happened to the Spider-Man franchise. I'm also glad to see that even though there were things you didn't like, you could at least admit to enjoying the movie.
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Mr Parker, what other things were ripped off from Superman or hero movies besides the ripping open of the shirt? Remember, all superheros have always followed a certain formula.
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They'll even admit that I'm sure.What baffles me about those 3 that follwed us and what I think is so hysterical about them is how they have no logic at all.We stopped reading anything those 3 said to us a long time ago because they constantly engage in name calling all the time,yet they still address us after all this time. how do I know that if I dont read what they say? I have friends here at THIS site and at that site who keep me informed.Like I said,they obviously got some kind of problems or something the fact they still address us after all this time when we just ignore them all the time and stopped reading their posts a long time ago. 
