so.... wait why does the architect say 'please' when neo says that the mother of the matrix is the oracle? she clearly is.....
I dont understand that freakin retard... stupid machines! so anyways, he describes the 'mother' as 'an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human phsyche'
if she is able to understand humans than that would explain why she can
tell people how things are going to happen... neo said 'so she can tell the future' then morpheus said, 'she may think she can...' or something in that manner. she may not be prophet like but she can tell what people are going to do before they do it, having pertained to understanding probability, which in the end, is what the choice the one has to make to reinsert the matrix. whew! mind buuuugaling!!
um, no, she clearly is not the mother...the Oracle is a program designed to read the coding of the Matrix, then give the humans information pertaining to the imminent future. She is not the mother of the Matrix, and the Architect is NOT a stupid machine...*robophobe*...i think an as yet unmet program is the mother, perhaps the SOURCE?!?!
the oracle definetely does not understand the human phsyce, the only character that seems to be interested in that is persephone, with the idea of love and emotion, im not sure it is her, but thats the only program that shows interest in the human phsyce...i guess...i wonder who else it could be, if not persephone,
Here are a few meanings of the word Psyche from Dictionary.com:
To analyze, solve, or comprehend.
To anticipate or guess the intentions of: “Most others could never approach [his] ability... to psyche out the opposition's thinking so consistently” (Steven Brill).
To analyze and treat by psychoanalysis.
The spirit or soul.
The mind functioning as the center of thought, emotion, and behavior and consciously or unconsciously adjusting or mediating the body's responses to the social and physical environment.
The soul; the vital principle; the mind.
Now:
Oracle: I'm sorry kid, I really am. You've got a good soul, and I hate giving good people bad news.
I think the word 'Psyche' fits the Oracle perfectly if you ask me
maybe the Mother is a program that takes the "mind" when jacked in, and transfers the coding into a form recognizable to humans, aka image of the digital self...
what I meant when i said the oracle understanding the human phsyce is that she, in my opinion, understands human probability and logic more than love and emotion, which means that she can basically predict human reactions based on reasoning.
"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." Imagination is more important than knowledge.
Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world.
Which drains all abstract notions of humans being special from me
The thought that I am predictable sounds reasonable, and depressing.
__________________ The System is everywhere. It is all around us. Even
now in this very room. You can see it when you look out your
window. Or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when
you go to work. When you go to Church. When you pay your taxes.
It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you
from the truth.
Sifer> Thank you... Dang I feel like the only one who thinks she is the mother. She fits the bill. I think there is no denying that.
navykidd> Why don't you think the oracle is interested in the human psyche? Does that definition from sifer change your mind?
I think she is interested in it. My goodness, she's all over it throughout both movies. As for persephone, I think she's just a spoiled rich girl who misses the passion that she used to have. I don't think her longing for passion makes her a student of the human psyche. BUT, I can see what everyone is getting at. And I think it's a reasonable point. I just don't see it as all that everyone else is making it out to be....
hmmm.... I'm still thinking about it, but to me, I really imagine the mother is the oracle.
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