Look meta im gonna save you some aggravation ok?. Look back at my post and read them again this is the second time you have replied to me and I was not even talking to you.
Anything having to do with me and you was over when i asked you a simple question and you bored with with countless stat's and double posting. I mean it leads me to belive that you dont see the edit button or something but, that's beside the point.
The you and me thing is over, been that way for a while, so talk to someone who is actually listening to you and finds your triple posting amusing.
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You say you weren't talking to me, yet you quoted me? Hmmm..disturbing.. I only reply to you when I see my name in your post, but rest assured I'll ignore even that from now on.
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You didn't come here to make the choice, you've already made it! You're only here to understand why you made it. I would've thought you'd have figured that out by now.
Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you could not wake from that dream?
Who has the time? But then we can never have time if we never take time!
Read it again..I did quote you but, I was not talking to you.
Anywayz back to the subject of this thread.
__________________ After the failure that was "the matrix revolutions" it is always good to know you CAN count on somethings to deliver. One trilogy to rule them all!
Because Neo was jacked into the Matrix through their machine, and Smith was an unstoppable virus.
Here are some holes:
-Neo has been in the pod his entire life, yet when taken out, no operations or anything are done to his ligaments. It's pretty much impossible for him to have been able to walk after being taken out of the Matrix w/o surgery and rehabilitation.
-Morpheus says that he's been looking for Neo his entire life, but he got out of the Matrix probably as a teenager and wasn't allowed to be on a ship till about 17. So that means he's been looking for Neo for at least half his life.
-Link says that Neo's "doing his Superman thing", but Link is from Zion, not the Matrix, and though he may have been told about him, how does he know who Superman is?
__________________ "The MTV Movie Awards are a systemic anomaly inherent to the programming of the Matrix. Although the transport process has altered your consciousness, you irrevocably remain human. Ergo, concordantly, vis-a-vis... You know what? I have no idea what the hell I'm saying. I just thought it would make me sound cool."
-The Architect AKA Larry
Actually, if you remember correctly from the first movie - they did rebuild his ligaments. Neo asks what was going on when he very first woke up and had all the pins stuck into him. Morpheus told him he never used his eyes and that his muscles were atrophied, and to rest. We do not have an exact time frame that Neo was worked on medically like that.
Morpheus, like Neo, had been looking for an answer his whole life - even before he was outside of the Matrix. When he was freed from the Matrix and heard of the prophecy, he believed that his purpose was to find "The One." He believed that "The One" was the answer he was always looking for, so, in effect, it was looking for Neo his entire life - whether he knew it or not.
Do you not think that growing up in the real world, Link wouldn't have had old comic books, tv programs downloaded from the Matrix in the same way they download other things like the drop from the Osiris? Link was a little kid at some point, and he was a decendant from someone who was inside the Matrix, so, it is to far fetched to say that he could've grown up with stories, comic books, or even old TV shows of Superman...
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You didn't come here to make the choice, you've already made it! You're only here to understand why you made it. I would've thought you'd have figured that out by now.
Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you could not wake from that dream?
Who has the time? But then we can never have time if we never take time!
They'd have to surgically lengthen his ligaments, and he'd need A LOT of rehabilitation. The first time he fully woke up after being taken out of the pod, he could walk and was perfectly fine.
__________________ "The MTV Movie Awards are a systemic anomaly inherent to the programming of the Matrix. Although the transport process has altered your consciousness, you irrevocably remain human. Ergo, concordantly, vis-a-vis... You know what? I have no idea what the hell I'm saying. I just thought it would make me sound cool."
-The Architect AKA Larry
True, but consider that the movie is on a truncated time scale. There ARE events that happen that we do not see...or does it bother you that we don't ever see them piss, shower, brush their teeth, etc? We also cannot say definitively that the first time that we see Neo wake up is the first time that he DID wake up. Throw into the mix that they obviously have far superior technology than we do today, and that medical recovery time is being drastically reduced today as opposed to 20, or even 10 years ago...you can't make that arguement. Time was sacrificed for the sake of a movie, who would want to see a patient recover for 12 to 18 months from ligament surgery? That would be one long and boring movie..don't call it a hole when it's not. To make my point on a smaller scale - when they step into the elevator in Reloaded on their way to see the Mero, you don't see them through the whole ride. Video editing and scripting to keep the story moving does not constitute as a hole. I'm sorry.
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You didn't come here to make the choice, you've already made it! You're only here to understand why you made it. I would've thought you'd have figured that out by now.
Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you could not wake from that dream?
Who has the time? But then we can never have time if we never take time!
According to a site I found, hair for someone Neo's age grows at 0.30 mm a day. If you look at Neo's hair when he fully wakes up, it's probably half a cm or a little longer. That would mean that he's been out of the pod for about 20-25 days. It would be impossible for him to have his ligaments lengthened and physically rehabilitated in that short time period, and don't say they shaved his head, because that would make no sense for them to do that...
And that is most likely the first time he wakes up. He sits up in bed, looking around in wonder, and then notices the thing in his arm. That's when Morpheus comes in. He asks "Morpheus, what happened to me?" So this is the first time he's been fully awake, for he would have asked the question earlier...
__________________ "The MTV Movie Awards are a systemic anomaly inherent to the programming of the Matrix. Although the transport process has altered your consciousness, you irrevocably remain human. Ergo, concordantly, vis-a-vis... You know what? I have no idea what the hell I'm saying. I just thought it would make me sound cool."
-The Architect AKA Larry
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i agree. so wut if some time was spent, o i dunno...being born and maturing? come on.
one hole in the matrix movies is seraph...basically his existance, cuz he wasnt in the first, and jus shows up like the oracle's best friend. and he wasnt met in the 6 months between M1 n M2, cuz neo didnt know him.
Seraph may have been still working for the Merovingian, but helping out the Oracle.
__________________ "The MTV Movie Awards are a systemic anomaly inherent to the programming of the Matrix. Although the transport process has altered your consciousness, you irrevocably remain human. Ergo, concordantly, vis-a-vis... You know what? I have no idea what the hell I'm saying. I just thought it would make me sound cool."
-The Architect AKA Larry
“-Neo has been in the pod his entire life, yet when taken out, no operations or anything are done to his ligaments. It's pretty much impossible for him to have been able to walk after being taken out of the Matrix w/o surgery and rehabilitation.”
Remember the acupuncture-looking needles? This is the future, so said needles are the “operation” done to work on his muscles and ligaments.”
“-Morpheus says that he's been looking for Neo his entire life, but he got out of the Matrix probably as a teenager and wasn't allowed to be on a ship till about 17. So that means he's been looking for Neo for at least half his life.”
It’s a figure of speech. Of course Morpheus wasn’t born in a pod and went “MUST… Find… Neo.” And Morpheus does say “There are those of us who’ve spend our entire lives…”
-Link says that Neo's "doing his Superman thing", but Link is from Zion, not the Matrix, and though he may have been told about him, how does he know who Superman is?
True. Link is Zion born. But hanging around with freed humans could rub off. Every western pod-born would know about Superman.
__________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
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"That includes ruining Halloween because someone swallowed a Bible."
"I just thought you were a guy."
"... Most guys do."
He'd still need rehabilitation and stuff. He couldn't just stand up and suddenly be able to walk.
__________________ "The MTV Movie Awards are a systemic anomaly inherent to the programming of the Matrix. Although the transport process has altered your consciousness, you irrevocably remain human. Ergo, concordantly, vis-a-vis... You know what? I have no idea what the hell I'm saying. I just thought it would make me sound cool."
-The Architect AKA Larry
Unknown> We don't really know for HOW long Neo's in "needle-surgery". Let's say it's about a month. Today, after having been in a pod for 30 years, no surgery could. But this is sci-fi so their tech can do it
It did, didn't it
__________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
-Voltaire
"That includes ruining Halloween because someone swallowed a Bible."
"I just thought you were a guy."
"... Most guys do."
Thats a nice reason. meta already stated that. afterall it was a movie of some small duration. they didnt have time 4 doing all that stuff or to show it. we can simply take it ourselves
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that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part, and you've got to
put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus,
and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it,
to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!" - Mario Savio
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Nov 27th, 2003 03:45 AM
Who was that masked man?!
