You specified that you wanted an illustration of pain, but apparently you will only be satisfied with an example of Juggernaut agonizing on the ground crying. This will never happen in a comic with a physical injury to Juggernaut, unless they completely alter his character.
I already acknowledged the duration was short myself and often Hulk's injuries most often are too, but apparently people emphasize too much that Juggernaut's mystic enhancements are so great that he feels no pain, or if he does feel pain, that it will play no miniscule psychological role in his behavior to an opponent. Juggernaut has separated himself from humans on eating and possibly breathing needs, but that doesn't mean his mind has been completely altered to the effect that pain (whatever pain) is in fact nulled to him. If a human can feel a bee sting, and likewise can handle an infinite amount of them in repetition, do you think they still would want to take it?
I see Juggernaut winning this battle regardless, but Juggernaut's role is more than just his physical attributes. Otherwise you are merely pitting Juggernaut's power against Hulk's power.
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No, i'll be satisfied with an illustration of Juggernaut expressing pain by means of a physical force...not a mystical one.
He's taken direct shots from Hulk, a GodForce Blast from Thor, and numerous beat downs from the X-men....and he's never been knocked unconscious, physically damaged, or injured, unless it was the result of a psychic attack.
The way I see Juggernaut winning this fight is by pitting his strengths up against Hulk's strengths. Infinite strength nullified by invulnerability. Leaving Juggernaut with his physical strength against Hulk's healing ability.
Just like Wolverine vs. Hulk. It may take a while, but eventually there will be a clear cut winner. Because the body can only heal and exert itself sooooo long before it wears out.
hisforse field is magic, war also was magic, i think his forcefield would be nigh on useless against war
*war trashed juggie, jugiie was scared for his life by the end of it, war hadnt broken sweat.
* remeber hulk has been hit also in the past by fantastic weaponry etc and continued moving un scathed and healing if he was.
* juggies shield is of no point ( from a writing point of view) unless the character needs protecting, im told on here constsantly juggie doesnt ( though i do doubt this) its bad writing, like this unstoppable thing, ( his main characteristic is basically moving in a direction without being stopped, also a bit silly as fighters like hulk and thor etc can just move aside, like matadors.
also juggie sure felt pain with prof hulk when he got mad b4 the psychic backlash, his face is grimmacing when he is being punched, and thats not magic. juggie would beat hulk till hulk got too mad , and as savage hulk thats just too much for juggie im afraid
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* Juggie wasn't scared for his life. You're making stuff up based on one cell panel that showed only his eyes.
* Juggie lands his unstoppable charge against Hulk and Thor FARRRRR more than they ever dodge it.
* Hulk gets hit by significant weaponry/forces and it slows him down. he's slow to get up, he gets fatigued. Doc Ock with adamantium claws damn near beat Hulk unconscious. Juggernaut beat Hulk unconscious.
* Juggernaut DID NOT feel pain when he fought Hulk before the backlash. A grimace, a loud exhale, and a grunt are just as much proof that he's exerting energy as it is a sign of pain.
did he say "ouch"? Did he get up limping? was he even out of breath?
no.no.no.
Im sure he broke alittle something during the whole pushing him across africa
His forcefield is of point if he doesnt want be be moved back or is with out his helmet and is protecting himself from an attack from someone like psylock. Or redirect an attack as he did in his first appearance. He has never used it to do this but he may be able to get out of burried rock of steel by erecting his forcefield, im sure coming in direct contact with it would knock all the rock or steel off of him
His unstoppability is not bad writing, his name is juggernaut, there for he must be one look up the definition of juggernaut and tell me he doesnt fit the discription.
besides exploiting his weaknesses like magic or psycics. Of course if he is a bad guy he has to have weaknesses, but they gave him his forcefield and psi blocking helmet to be more effective agaisnt his weaknesses unlike venom or superman.
Like matadors thats really funny (im serious i never looked at it that way)
But his unstoppability isnt by his speed he can just be walking, He doesnt have to be running.
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But being that juggernaut invulnerability nullifies his physical attacks and hulk doesnt have psychic or magical attacks this fight will take a while to end.
Not knowing the extent of juggernaut strength is also a factor in this fight.
Hulks healing factor will indeed come into effect, but it can only take so much.
But i cant just say Juggernaut wins i mean i know he would in a straight up fight with no interruptions but if he is send to kidnap betty or something, hulk would get madder quicker, but also being that juggernaut has that chick hulk wont be able to throw crap at him or anything so it really depends on the scenario.
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You know i use to have a hard time arguing this but as of the couple of days ive been looken up stuff like crazy and i finly got it.
first off David,the author of the story himself,said publicly on his messageboard that The Juggernaut cannot be physically injured when asked about this very scene and that because of this physical invulnerability was why he had to have the psychic backlash thrown in that occurs in the very next panel we see Hulk and The Juggernaut.
but here is to explain the 2 punches
He didn't drop to his knees. He was knocked to his knees. Hulk lifts his body weight with the punch off the ground and he lands. As you can clearly see him being lifted off the ground
as far as the look on his face well here to that
It the wind out of him for a moment. Hence the "Ummf!" when suddenly having a fist push his stomach in. He was his partner then all of a suden punch. Yeah juggernaut doesnt have to breath but he does if he wants to talk. And he has been trained to breath his entire life its hard to turn off that human instinct.
I dont care who you are fighting juggernaut is a waste of time(quote from spiderman), no matter how strong you are it doesnt matter to the juggernaut. Physically he is completely unstoppable, Hulk could get as mad as he want throw the biggest temper tantrum he has ever thrown knocking juggernaut down isnt a win knocking him out is. To be honest this is how everyone should look at it.
Hulk can be knocked out, JUGGERNAUT CANNOT BE KNOCKED OUT!!!
Anything physical must yeild to his awesome power, he is a living embodement of physical power, He is a living immortal engine of destruction. Hulk, thor, superman, thanos, and galactus all of them can hit him at once and no physical harm will come to him.
NOTHING CAN STOP THE JUGGERNAUT
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And Juggernaut was in disbelieve, but not scared. He especially didn't look like he really gave a f*ck when War was boasting about how he was gonna cut his head off.
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What Thor did "nullified" the magic effect of the force field.
If you considered the Celestial technology as "magic" then he would just be using magic vs. magic. There would be no cancellation effect unless War had done something to cancel out the effect.
There was more than one thor juggernaut fight. Yes he did nulliffy his magic the first time. Or maybe it was the second but the last time juggernaut schooled him. Not even trying.
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Onslaught Is a telepath, its quite clear that we all understand that onslaught is filled with loop holes and screwed up plots to fit into the story that they want.
We dont really know what happened during some of the event Onslaught could have implanted most of the fight scene into juggernauts brain.
And its clear that onslaught was in juggernauts mind even though he had his helmet
war DID have something to cancel out juggernauts magics. juggernauts magics are based on the laws of mainstream reality. war hulk was funneling energies from outside that reality. therefor his unstoppableness was negated.
thats why war hulk stopped him. thats also why war hulk would have been able to cut him with his sword. because he was perfectly capable of charging his sword with the same energies that nullified juggernauts magics.
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Jan 4th, 2005 10:10 PM
thats really funny (im serious i never looked at it that way)
look on his face well here to that
