Actually, I think either it is your memory that has failed you or you were living in a friggin' cave. You dont remember albums called Facelift by Alice in Chains in 1990 or Badmotorfinger by Soundgarden released in 1991? Those do qualify as being in the early 90's do they not? The singles Man in the Box, Rusty Cage, and Outshined were all over the radio in NY, which if my geography is correct, is in the Northeast. MTV was pumping them up as being the biggest bands out of Seattle, the new music Mecca (until the single Smells Like Teen Spirit broke through and they then did a complete 180 to support Nirvana). Radio stations were changing their formats from metal or country to alternative. Alice in Chains was first, but sadly is never acknowledged because of Nirvana's popularity and marketability. Nirvana may have been the best selling...and most famous, but they certainly were not first.
Also, none of these bands would have been anything special if not for the population being really sick to death of the over the top antics and excesses of many of the hair bands of the time. People wanted something else, timing was everything.
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wow this is probably the most pointless thread i have ever seen, even more pointless than the "who likes cheese" thread. I mean how in the hell are you gonna bash a band just because it has so many fans? If your a fan of somthing your not supposed to forget about it. Yeah and maybe Nirvana diddnt start the Punk,Grunge thing. But they sure gave it life,and intrest. It's sort of life when the USA joined the space race program, we took somthing off of the RUssians and made it better.
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About Grunge : Green River, Mudhoney, Soundgarden was the first wave of Grunge which was a tad heavier than the second wave started by Nirvana, Nirvana was at that time a more melodic than the earlier grunge bands. Soundgarden didnt become a world wide sucsess before thier 1994 Superunknown album that is true, but that has to do with comercialism, they had their share of fans long before that.
They packed festivals long before 1994, cause their performances on Roskilde( Danish festival) and Kalvøya( Norwegian festival) drew huge crowds. Both the albums Louder than Love (1990) and Badmotorfinger (1991) sold extremly well in Norway. So we were kind of surprised that it took the rest of the rocking world 3 more years to "discover" the share brilliance of Soundgarden. Cause they are in my eyes a much better band that Nirvana ever was. Thing with Nirvana is they struck gold early on in their career and the wild lifestyle of Kurt made him a teen icon. There are always those who are the true sole of rock and those who head out in the limelight. Nirvana moved away from the grunge early on and crossed over into the mainstreem to be a hit factory.
"Actually, I think either it is your memory that has failed you or you were living in a friggin' cave. You dont remember albums called Facelift by Alice in Chains in 1990 or Badmotorfinger by Soundgarden released in 1991? Those do qualify as being in the early 90's do they not? The singles Man in the Box, Rusty Cage, and Outshined were all over the radio in NY, which if my geography is correct, is in the Northeast. MTV was pumping them up as being the biggest bands out of Seattle, the new music Mecca (until the single Smells Like Teen Spirit broke through and they then did a complete 180 to support Nirvana). Radio stations were changing their formats from metal or country to alternative. Alice in Chains was first, but sadly is never acknowledged because of Nirvana's popularity and marketability. Nirvana may have been the best selling...and most famous, but they certainly were not first.
Also, none of these bands would have been anything special if not for the population being really sick to death of the over the top antics and excesses of many of the hair bands of the time. People wanted something else, timing was everything."
You are dumb. Nobody ever said Alice in Chains or Soundgarden weren't around before Nirvana's fame....or that they didn't have albums. Merely that they weren't famous......and they weren't. Both had albums before Nevermind came out....hell, Nirvana had an album and an assload of singles out before Nevermind....they just weren't famous.
Go look at Billboard.com's music charts for the time periods.......show me a number one album by Soundgarden or Alice N Chains before Nirvana blew up and made the Seattle scene famous. You can't because it is non-existant. Just because you knew who they were doesn't mean the rest of the world did. So you like Soungarden's "Badmotorfinger"......me too.....it's a great album. Did it make them famous? No. They weren't selling out world tours......they weren't the best selling band in the U.S., much less Germany, Japan, Austalia, the United Kingdom, etc. They were just a band with a good ablum out.........they were by no means famous. Just because the band Nada Surf had a video on MTV called "popular" doesn't make them famous.......it makes them a non-famous band with a video getting a little air play on MTV. Hell.....Sonic Youth had two videos on MTV in the eighties, were they famous? Did they lead the Seattle invasion? No....and no. They were just a small time band with their own local following who had a song on the radio/mtv......just as Alice N Chains and Soundgarden.
finiti........."Thing with Nirvana is they struck gold early on in their career and the wild lifestyle of Kurt made him a teen icon"
That is a statement made out of ignorance............Nirvana had already been around 10 years, had released a full length album 2 years prior(Bleach), had released numerous singles, and had gone through 9 different members before they became famous for "Nevermind". I know you probably didn't know this because you're not a fan but a bit of research on the subject you are talking about never hurts.
dame how this band is overrated..i like them..but you talk about them like there the best band to ever hold instruments..(green river/pearl jam) are better bands!
No.......the best band to ever hold instruments is Creedence Clearwater Revival...........Nirvana was just the biggest/most influential........they changed the entire music industry with the drop of one album......the only other band in history to do this was the Beatles...........not bad company to keep.
Any band who can revolutionize a mutli-billion dollar industry with one album isn't over rated............
Lames.s. youre fighting a losing battle, because obviously you have no idea what you are talking about.
Evil Dead is right, a little bit of research couldn't hurt. but then i guess complete ignorance overrides everything doesn't it?
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well they sure made rock go back to their roots when rock was moving away from the forces that made that music possible. (lot of experimental music in the late 60`s)
But they never change the entire music history at all, there were several factors to this change in which CCR was a big part but not a sole reason.
black sabbath are another band that changed music they single handedly made heavy metal
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well there is a lot of blues in the foirst Sabbath albums.
Sabbath were very influential in Heavy Metal indeed but they werent alone. Zeppelin displayed a heavy rock feature earlier than Sabbath did but Sabbath developed a darker sound , more morbid. So we can say that a combination of Zeppelins and Sabbath laid the blueprint of that style of music. With this said though we have to consider those Hard Rock bands as well, it is often very hard to tell where the dividing line between hard rock and heavy metal is, but a part of the progressive hard rock scene cant go without mentioning Deep Purple.
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thing is I saw Nirvana live before they broke through with Nevermind. They palyed some tunes from Nevermind though and what stuck with those of us who saw them was that their tune Come As You are were a completly rip off of Killings Joke`s tune "80`s" from their 1985 Night Time album.
Cobain teamed up with Novoselic in 1985 so that makes it 4 years prior of their debut album and 6 years before Nevermind. So the reasearch never hurts aint a bad thing , you should try it
Actually Nirvana was called Skid Row before they deceided on Nirvana, Cobain played drums while Novoselic was on bass. They rotated through numeros guitarist before they deceided on Cobain should sing and play guitar. They took the name Nirvana in 1987.
That quote holds ground cause they broke through with their second album two years after their debut album so yes it must be considered early on in their career. Most bands have a pre history but it is all a road towards the final product.
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