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sand person no. 10
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1. The bongo trip was important, remember qui gons line about letting the force guide them
2. Lucas has years too prepare the film , i doubt it was rushed, i don't really recall too much time being spent with the bad guys in the first three films
3. MCGregor was supposed to act like that too heightem his arrogance
4. I thought the gungan battle was in line with the appearance of the rest of the film
5. Can't be bothered with the JL argument again
heres a question. what would you have liked to have happened if your so disenchanted with the film?
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Aug 30th, 2001 10:39 PM |
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Dim
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Since queeq is now off on vacation for two weeks I'll kind of stick up for him. I don't think he's disenchanted but simply looking at it from a craftsman's point of view...
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Aug 31st, 2001 01:17 PM |
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sand person no. 10
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very admirable 
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Aug 31st, 2001 02:36 PM |
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But you have to admit that does yippies and wizards were too much
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Aug 31st, 2001 03:50 PM |
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Ushgarak
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McGregor wasn't on top form, but God help Queeq if he knocks Liam's acting again...
BTW, no matter what way you put it, that film was MASSIVELY rushed! Crumbs, the first twenty minutes was almost a sensory overload. Things didn;t settle down until they got to Tatooine.
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Aug 31st, 2001 05:22 PM |
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KJ
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It's meant to be fast paced. ANH has the exact same pacing when they are on board the death star.
Queeq's complaints.
1. The Bongo trip was important because it introduced Jar Jar and showed what Qui-Gon was like. He was always trying to settle Jar Jar down and tell him that it was going to be all right. There isn't any other scenes like this between them. It also showed the type of world that the Gungans lived. If they lived in some beautiful and safe place then it would make it harder to believe that they had a huge army and were warriors. But by showing the dangers of there enviroment it made there toughness more beleivable.
2. A didn't think it was rushed but it was fast paced. But I don't think that's a bad thing.
3. Liam Neeson was great, Ewan didn't have much to do but was good in the scenes he had. Lucas said that EP2 will be Obi-Wans film.
4. Disney is Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck. Not armies of droids trying to destroy an entire race. The whole look to that battle was very fantasy like which was great.
5. When Hitler was a kid he didn't go around kicking dogs in the street. He was a normal kid and so was Anakin. If Anakin was bad in TPM then you have no Ep2 and 3. He had to be innocent, sweet, and kind. That's what Jake Lloyd did brilliantly.
Sand Person No 10 has a good point. Nobody ever gives any ideas as to how they would make it better.
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Aug 31st, 2001 05:40 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Actually, Sand person is entirely wrong because part of Queeq's point is that someone made The Phantom Edit which he DOES think is a lot better for having addressed some of tnose problems. I will reserve my judgment...
And no WAY has ANYTHING in Star Wars been quite as 'brisk' as the start of TPM!
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Aug 31st, 2001 05:53 PM |
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KJ
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Well actually Sand Person No 10 is right. The Phantom Edit wasn't constructive critisism. It was a merc editing a film for other mercs.
ANH on the Death Star is just as faced paced. The only thing that makes it seem longer is the scenes of Obi-Wan sneaking around. But these scens are over in seconds.
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Aug 31st, 2001 06:14 PM |
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Now what the h*ll is the phantom edit???
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Aug 31st, 2001 07:11 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Hey, I am not commneting on the quality if The Phantom Edit, KJ. But you have to admit that this is CERTAINLY a case where someone has made criticisms, suggested solutions and then actually DID them! As Sand person's comment was that no-one had tried come up with a better idea, I think it is pretty clear that TPE proves that wrong, whetehr it is actually any good or not.
Yerssot, The Phantom Edit is an attempt by an unknown editor to re-edit TPM for the better. It has become quite a peice of fan lore. I know that queeq had been desperate to get a hold of it for some time.
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Aug 31st, 2001 07:29 PM |
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KJ
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I still wouldn't call it constructive. It's annoyed the hell out of most fans. There was a poll on MWorld and 92% said that re-editing a film to you're own liking was wrong.
So I wouldn't say that the Phantom Edit was a better idea. Not to most fans anyway.
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Aug 31st, 2001 08:52 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Sure, fair enough. But the principle that the guy tried is what we were referring to.
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Aug 31st, 2001 08:57 PM |
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I am interested in seeing it. How could I find a copy?
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Aug 31st, 2001 11:34 PM |
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Jameous Woodshire
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Well annoying as he was Jar-Jar has his place in SW.
But I also think that if you want to re-cut anything for your own enjoyment, it's fine. The Phantom Edit should only be looked at that way. It's not GL's and thus not SW.
There are alot of films I can think of that could use a re-cut. (Pearl Harbor comes to mind) but only for the indvidual's enjoyment.
What I'd like to see is a Dead Men Dont Wear Plaid version of SW. That would be great, IMO.
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Aug 31st, 2001 11:50 PM |
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sand person no. 10
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anyone can recut a film to satisty their own needs. you can find a copy of the phantom edit on a file sharig site i.e kazaa.com, what people seem to be forgetting is that star wars is george lucas's story, its difficult to satisfy everybody's idea about how sw's should start, let alone finnish, i am not satisfied with the finnish of rotj and the whole sw's story but it isn't my story and so i have to accept it.
i could probably rewrite tpm and rotj but i doubt it would fit into atoc and all of the other films, the sw's story is at least 6 stories long, it has to start somehwhere, just because it falls short of peoples ideas i don't think we should start attacking the story until it is finished. i'm still waiting for peoples ideas about how ep1 should have started. Once we've seen all six films
Then attack away!
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Sep 1st, 2001 02:36 AM |
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Ushgarak
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I think the specific difference in this case is that people thoughtb the direction and editing of TPM was its weakness point; once fixed by TPE it becomes a much better film without removing its quintessential Star Wars nature.
Don't blame me; I haven't seen the darn thing. But I think someone should sitck up for queeq's point of view. He seems to think it is much better. Also he is very interested in that sort of thing because of his job.
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Sep 1st, 2001 11:27 AM |
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Dim
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Yes, I tend to blow off people when the come up with the attitude that it could be done better..but in this case I really feel like if queeq says it's better than it probably is.
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Sep 1st, 2001 03:43 PM |
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KJ
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Well I've seen it and it's my job as well and I can tell you it's not better.
If you want to re-edit a film and keep it to yourself then fine. My dad did that with ANH for me when I was a kid. He cut all the fight scenes together. But selling it is wrong.
And what really gets me is when someone talks about it as if it's the REAL TPM. No one has done it hear yet, but give it time.
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Sep 2nd, 2001 04:20 PM |
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Dim
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Oh, I agree with you about selling it..that's a no no.. and for the most part I don't think you should reedit someone's work. It's part of their artistic work and should be respected..but I"m also for improvement.. I would like to see LFL do a recut version..maybe someday way way in the future..
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Sep 2nd, 2001 04:31 PM |
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KJ
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But what about all the people that loved TPM? The people that went to see it again and again? The people that have made the DVD one of the most anticipated ever?
That's the problem I have with this. The people who edited this film and sold it are unbelievably selfish.
Dim, you could try and improve every film but it just leads to more problems, like the Special Editions did. I don't know anyone who like EVERY change in the SE.
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