i just wanted to say how much i love lord of the rings. i think tolkien was a genius, and whatever you think of peter jackson's work, i think it took a lot of courage to try to film three movies back to back, living in a different country, with a bunch of strangers for several years. that's a huge project. it's hard enough to do one movie, but three? i know i'd never even consider taking on a project like that. i think PJ's version of it gives it a new dimension. it brings the story to life and it helps you visualize what the characters look like. I think PJ did a great job in spite of a few errors such as the elves at helm's deep. and really, the elves at helm's deep added suspense. were the elves going to get slaughtered with the men or were they actually going to make a difference? in spite of the fact that i had read the books, when Frodo got stabbed by the troll in Moria, I thought he had actually died. The ringwraiths were exactly what I had pictured. The movies were amazingly accurate considering Hollywood always butchers movies that are based on books.
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Where once was light Now darkness falls. Where once was love Love is no more. Don't say good-bye. Don't say I didn't try. These tears we cry Are falling rain For all the lies you told us The hurt, the blame. And we will weep To be so alone. We are lost. We can never go home. So in the end I'll be what I will be. No loyal friend Was ever there for me. Now we say good-bye. We say you didn't try. These tears you cry Have come too late. Take back the lies The hurt, the blame. And you will weep When you face the end alone. You are lost. You can never go home. You are lost. You can never go home.
You say insane as though it's a bad thing .
Last edited by Bulehen on Oct 25th, 2003 at 09:52 PM
well all I can say is taste can differe but I'd like to hear some OBJECTIVE reasons why LOTR sucked Rage. No things like because it didn't give ME the insecure feeling.
Some cold hard facts. Movies can't be rathed on our emotions, atleast not objectively
if you want a rate a movie you give good reasons why it is a good or a bad movie not because of what you think of it.
If you do you must be able to accept that ppl will disagree
(this goes for everyone ofcourse)
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I bow to your reply BUL. You have given a very respecatble answer. Pointing out that there is major errors, but a great task was undertaken, with great vision, and limited time in doing so. This is why i say any movie can always be made better after it is made. You are right and i have to agree with you. I will always Yurn for the extra darkness that was included in the writings though, but i guess thats why i have the books
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I'm sick of everyone comparing movies too books, the movies are never going to be like books, no matter what the story. They take many completely different aspects and are two different art forms. What makes a book good, won't neccessarily make a movie good. The changes had to be made in order for the movie to make sense and flow.
Also, the special effects that are there had to be there. It in no way over used special effects in any way. If you want an example of overused special effects, go watch The Hulk or Star Wars EP 2, or Matrix.
Lord of the rings in no way failed, they are great movies in their own rights when compared to other films, they will be looked back on with a respect on par with the respect the star wars movies have now.
No, matrix is original, groundbreaking, innovative, creative, thought provoking, and visually astounding. The matrix relies on the story for the use of it's special effects, where as LOTR relies on the special effects to tell it's butchard story.
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The LOTR's story is masterful and eventful. It has alot of relevence to todays world, even though it was written 60 years ago or whatever. The visual effects in LOTR's are used only when necessary.
the only reason it has meaning to modern day problems, is the brilliance behind the writing, not the movie making. The movie making takes away the meaning behind the story. It leaves you with fairy-coated eye candy. every major scene in LOTR leads up to major use of special effects Take away the special effects, you have men in costumes yelling out an unbalanced dialogue, that in only a handfull of ways cohere with the actual inspired story.
The matrix manipulated special effects to an innovative way of movie making. That was inspired by a totally Original story. A story I might add that can relate to many modern day anguishes, or even the human spirit. The matrix used its story to create a totally new way of movie making, and a level that we judge and will forever more judge action/ sci fi movies on this is brilliance, genuouis at work. so yes matrix will live on and be respected just as Lotr sadly will be also
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Matrix story is also not that innovating, it's technigques are ok, but all the matrix its story did was search out some coherent filosophical idea's and poored them into a new form, but it aint like they invented their own filosophy. And once you know even a bit about Filosophy you can get all the implemented idea's The Matrix RELIES HEAVILY IF NOT TOTALY ON IT'S EYE CANDY to make it an interesting movie for the general public
cause take away the eye candy and all you have is a BORING movie about things the general public cares very lil for and most youngsters will find VERY VERY VERY BORING
in short Matrix without Eye candy = A basic Filosophy course
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ummm NO The fact that they developed a new style of movie making that broke all levels and took all the risks from an inspired story is just great vision, and creativity. That is in a league of its own. MAtrix set movie making history.
Unlike using tired special effects to tell a story in hopes of making a memorable trilogy.
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Well, RR, I could not possibly disagree with you more. I think this is one of the most inaccurate accusations ever made and that your idea that the vooks have been 'butchered' is almost hysterical.
Sorry, I just think you are totally and utterly wrong. I cannot put it any differently than that.
The film is a fantastic adapatation of the plot of the book. And a very great majority of true book fans (as PJ himself is) agree.
And the book itself was not particularly well-written... Tolkien was many great things- innovator, imaginer, creator of worlds, but he was never a great writer.
PJ, however, is a great filmmaker.
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Last edited by Ushgarak on Oct 25th, 2003 at 11:12 PM
I also disagree with your assessment of the books as constant suspense- the books are, in fact, very uneven, and I never thought the outcome was ever in doubt.
And let's not get into a Matrix debate here.
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thats all well and fine that you disagree. I took away a different expeirence from the books. I am just voicing an opinon on how i believe the movies totally destroyed the expierence i took away from the books. I make this quite apparent many times. However when people want to bash or attack my opinions. I am up to defend them,but i always make apparent that this is a movie review on my expierence from the books.
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