Well, each and everyone one of us, I'm sure, took away a different experience from the books and from the movie. Like Ush said, it was PJ and his crew's interpretation of a great story. And like many have countless of times pointed out to translate the book into a movie page by page, chapter by chapter would have been... long to say the least.
Even the writers admitted that they had to do some rearranging - take certain scenes and placed them in different parts of the movie, given certain lines to other characters. And in some instances take out certain scenes and characters much to many people's dismay. All to do with the movie flow.
As for the special effects, I think it was well done. PJ used it well to drive the story. We were introduced to characters and places etc that did help move the story along and at the same time building on the characters and their plight.
All in all, I think PJ and his crew did a wonderful job with the movie.
(To digress- I agree with rR that the Matrix is a great movie. The technology used did drive some of the story. D'oh! It's the Matrix!)
... and made film making history ... as did PJ's LOTR
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this is where everyone makes the mistake. the story was in control of the special effects. This is why it was so brilliant, not so much the story, but the way it was made. It was a new style of film making inspired by a story, not action or special effects inspired into a story, like so many believe it to be.
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okay i dont know why but i had the strongest feeling there would be some sort of LOTR disser coming on to diss lord of the rings, i had the STRONGEST feeling, of course...all he wants is to rowl the lord of the ring fans up and get the attention he feels he needs and trying to get the best of all of us, well it isnt working with me, now i would LOVE to reply with a long post on how wrong you are, but i feel that i dont need to stoop to your level, so you can get a reaction from me, well normally, i WILL rant to the people who even DARE diss the lord of the rings, but i feel your not worth the ranting, so ill end my post here and say HAPPY NATIONAL LEGOLAS DAY!!!!!!!!!
*Lord of the Rings is kick ass, amazing, awesome, exciting and wonderful movie, and for that...i think my fellow lord of the rings fans, should ALL GIVE ME A HELL YEAH!*
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I think you misunderstood me, rage. This movie did have mistakes. But it brings the story to life. You read the books to find out what happened, and you watch the movie to see if they portrayed the characters like you did. The movie is meant as an addition to the story, not a replacement. At the same time, the movie is done well enough, someone who sees the movies but doesn't read the book still gets the basic idea of what happened. Like I said, even though I had read the books, the movies still filled me with suspense, fear, darkness, whatever. Yeah. And the time wasn't limited, I was pointing out that those guys/gals had to live with a bunch of total strangers for several years. To be honest, I think you're wrong, but so are the people who flame you for expressing your opinion. I'm sorry if this sounds like a flame to you. Just wanted to set some things straight
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Where once was light Now darkness falls. Where once was love Love is no more. Don't say good-bye. Don't say I didn't try. These tears we cry Are falling rain For all the lies you told us The hurt, the blame. And we will weep To be so alone. We are lost. We can never go home. So in the end I'll be what I will be. No loyal friend Was ever there for me. Now we say good-bye. We say you didn't try. These tears you cry Have come too late. Take back the lies The hurt, the blame. And you will weep When you face the end alone. You are lost. You can never go home. You are lost. You can never go home.
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See in the real world, life isnt ruled only by a single perspective of an indepenndant opinion. You should try and break free from your ego every ounce and a while. It's a great world out there when you can change perceptions. You say you dont want to go on a rant, and express a long post on how wrong i was. This is because you have convinced yourself that it would bring you to a lower level of rationality, or concsiousness. This is proven in your un nessicary RANT when you include words such as. "stoop" and Level"
Any one who thinks they are at all better than any given human being on any level is nothing more than an ego centric, self acclaimed expert of an imaginary profeesion. This is what drags the whole world down. IGNORANCE. So you un willingly did everything you tried not to do, and also gave more than enough insight into your trypical, and narsicistic personaily. This voids any opinion you have about anything, because the answer is already made up in your closed minded way of thinking. I never went any where near insulting a personal member for voicing an opinion, i only insulted a peice of shit movie. You on the other hand try and belittle my opinion, with an un nessicary post using words Again such as "stoop, and level" I never ounce said this thread was meant to be anything other than my opinion. I dont try and get the best of anyone using covert tactics, as you accuse me of doing. if i want the best of someone in an argument or opininated topic. I make it fully apaperent.
Happy- sorry the lord of the rings is a flamming peice of shit movie day
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Hey ragesRemorse, try reading the Harry Potter books, they are really good, but don't read the fifth one, namely "Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix" it's really irritating and might make you tear the whole book into pieces, as one of the main character is killed by the author, and I think here you will see the living proof of the biggest blunder made by the most popular writer of modern times (NO OFFENCE MEANT).
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well i dont read books......well i am right now! Mj's the magic and the madness! LOL....im interested! thats a 1st....
neways its different for people who havnt read the books!
...but i thought both movies was so good....
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I agree with rR when he says most of the dark athmosphere was lost in the film but I yet think it's a great film and I really enjoyed it.
Special effects were imo also ok
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I think you should stop slagging the films off so much. I admire and respect Peter Jackson for attempting (and making a bloody good job) of Tolkien's epic.
Also, it is an interpretation - got that? INTERPRETATION - so it can be expected that things are changed/edited - I mean, who really cares that much if the elves weren't meant to be at Helms deep or that Haldir wasn't meant to die? Well, alright, it was a surprise, it wasn't expected at all, but it certainly did NOT ruin the story line.
I still think the films are wonderful (although I will always prefer the books tenfold) and feel that the films do not rely completely on the visual effects - the music, acting and the fact that everybody worked so hard to make this film enjoyable for everybody, not just us, that have read the books. Remember, this film was meant to attract a wider target audience than JUST people that have read the books. Plus, there is the whole problem with time - although I would be more than happy to watch a 9 hour version of 'The Fellowship of the Ring', I'm sure there are people out there who don't - they probably value their rears more than that and wish them to have SOME feeling when the leave the cinema!
That's what I have to say, if you disagree with it, then fine by me, but that is my opinion - Peter jackson has made a wonderful job of the films.
Totally agree with that - although not as dark as the books, there is no denying the dark themes in the films. Still not convinced? I DARE you to say that about the films in public are The Return of the King is released.
If you don't get pelted with rocks by random LOTR fans, you'll be very very lucky indeed.
Not gone but I think (my opinion) that it was espressed better in the books, so I said "lost". Too few Nazgul scenes
But the music brought most of the athmosphere back... amazing work, Shore
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There is only one movie I have watched that has managed to keep the dark atmosphere as much as the book did (if not darker) and that is Blade Runner. I think to gain the dark atmosphere the books provide is a near impossible task because EVERYONE interprets things differently.
you all have made some very enlightening points that are gonna make me watch these movies again with a more open mind. you are right about the hard work by the entire production team trying to bring somthing special to everyone. that is admirable at the very least. I had just always been such a loyal fan to the books, i think i looked for everything wrong in the films.
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hey rages from what i read, i see you think that the special effects took away the essence of the movie.
i have a point to add....................why oh why on earth didn't someone make LOTR into a movie before( not the cartoon either)????
My guess is that visual effects available at the time would have robbed the viewers of the wonders of middle earth.
I give lots of props to PJ for having the balls to take on the movie.
Yesssssss there are many discrepancies between the book and movie but when making a movie u cant always capture the suspense of a book.
It would have taken about 2-3 days to properly read LOTR.......so suspense builds, ur imagination begins to create the characters in ur head, ur wondering what will happen next.........u cant get that anywhere else than a book.
Movies on the other hand is instant gratification. .....A movie based on a book cant be as long as the book. U cant afford to go into the detail covered in words. I think they would have tried to make the movie as close to the book as possible. But audiences today already b|tch about a movie being 2+ hrs. I think a full adaptation of lotr on screen would have been nearly 20 hrs of film.( that was extensively edited too)
People today dont have that type of patience ( this is a general statement......we like to read........but look someone here just posted that they dont READ BOOKS!!.......what does that say bout the people out there!??!)
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