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queeq
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Nice eyes, JW.
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Jameous Woodshire
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Well, that was meant for Ush's statement. I agree with yours.
He keeps singling me out even though everyone here is not agreeing with him.
I couldn't post the same quotes that prove him wrong again for the umpteenth time so I just emoticoned.
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Sep 23rd, 2001 08:43 PM |
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queeq
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Well, yes you can. Just try a different angle. And don't worry, when he's set his mind on something it's difficult to convince him otherwise. I don't agree with him either, but I love debating him for it. Masochistic? Yes I know.
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Sep 23rd, 2001 08:49 PM |
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Jameous Woodshire
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Yep, I know, I like doing it too.
At least I have admitted when I was proved wrong here 
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Sep 23rd, 2001 09:14 PM |
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Ushgarak
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queeq is right; it was the lack of variety in your arguments I was worried about.
And as for being alone, I seem to remember this being true about the Alan Dean Foster writing the ANH novel thing as well...
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Sep 23rd, 2001 09:57 PM |
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if feeling the force was just down to instincts, wouldn't everybody in the galaxy be able to do it, i think it means that the force acts better with some people and helps control what they do, but they have to be able the feel foce in the fist place, hence all the training a jedi get. the mc count doesn't go up when they get older, they just learn how to control and feel the force.
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Sep 23rd, 2001 10:50 PM |
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Ushgarak
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I don't think anyone suggesting that feeling thre Force was just down to instincts, just that instinct is an important tool in controlling the Force. You still have to have the talent and potential for it.
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Sep 23rd, 2001 11:01 PM |
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Jameous Woodshire
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hows this for an angle Ush?
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Like I said about ADF, you should say about the feeling.
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Sep 24th, 2001 06:59 AM |
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Jameous Woodshire
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I also don't think its a great idea to be the last poster in a thread that you locked! That is wrong.
There is more that could be said about the fact that Vader sees with not only his eyes but with computers like a modern solder would with night vision and things like that.
As for long range force sight, they have it when the user is powerful enough.
Yoda even tries to see across the galaxy, and so does the emperor.
Just because you know you are wrong doesn't mean you have to end the discussion!
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Sep 24th, 2001 07:18 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Jameous, this is NOT the place to complain about my modding. This isn't even the right area, but even if it was you should domit by PM.
That thread was closed because it was over 100 and off-topic. That is board policy, it is one of the duties of the mods and I would not be doing my job if I hadn't. It was not closed just because I wanted the last word on anything (though I DID sum-up what had been said).
If you want to continue the conversation about Vader's eyes, feel free to open up another topic.
Please do not complain again just because I do my job, please do me the courtesy of not always seeing bad motives in what I do, and CERTAINLY don't do it in public.
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Sep 24th, 2001 07:03 PM |
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Jameous Woodshire
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Well, this is a public forum, so I figured to bring out my concern publicly.
I should have picked another place to do so your right, but don't chew my head off because I saw something, however harmless, and brought it up.
Anyway. Back on topic...
I agree with your statement about instincts and the force. You have to be talented in the force in order to draw from it.
But those talented in the force can feel each other when in proximity. Why did Vader say "I feel a presence.... one I have not felt since..." Then he brought it up with Tarkin who didn't believe him.
Vader KNEW Obi was on the Death Star, and also knew where to find him. That's why he intercepted him on his way to the Falcon.
He also knew Luke made it on the Falcon in ESB.
Luke knew Vader was on the Executor in ROTJ.
I hate to bring it up but it is probably like Highlander's immortals sensing each other.
If they couldn't then why did Qui know he was under attack when Maul caught them on Tatooine?
Too many instances point toward that and I still haven't seen a valid explanation for the other way. PPOR as they say at TF.N.
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Sep 24th, 2001 10:44 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Ok, first of all, if anyone ever has concerns about how a mod is doing his duties, PLEASE do it in PM and do not post in the threads about it; that is NOT what the threads are for. This is also board policy. As it is I 'chewed your head off' because there was no basis for your complaint and you had done it in completely the wrong place.
Secondly, as I have already said... AGAIN... is that we have already established that Jedi can feel minds. The presence that Vader felt in the Force was that of Obi-Wan's mind, which he recognised as he would recognise his old Master's face.
There is nothing to make us think that he detected Obi-Wan because Obi-Wan could use the Force. After all, Obi-Wan wasn't using the Force at the time.
Luke and Vader could ALWAYS feel one another close by. Once again, this was a matter of sensing minds, not their Force powers.
I repeat, my assertion is not that Jedi cannot sense; my assertion is merely that we have never seen Jedi sense the use of Force by others; we have seen them sense minds, danger, mass death and the future, but not someone else using the Force. And I repeat again. if you could sense people using the Force, Palpatine would be in real trouble.
And by extension, I do not beleive Vader sensed the use of Force, if any, in Luke's fighter in the trench and his line was merely a comment on the skill/luck of the pilot.
And again, I have had to repeat all this because you have brought all that back without adding anything new. So I'll just repeat what I already said until someone tackle it.
QGJ knew he was under attack because he saw it coming. HE IS A JEDI! That's what they do.
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Sep 24th, 2001 10:51 PM |
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Jameous Woodshire
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Well, Palpy has a special power that he's using to hide. Thus the like by Maul "At last we will revieal ourselves to the Jedi"
And Yoda's line "difficult to see, the dark side is" Because that's part of being dark, the abality to hide.
Maul was trying to surprise attack Qui, but he just wasn't a good at it as Palpy. There may have been some sort of danger sence at work too, but I think Qui sensed Maul at the last second, not because of the danger, but because of the evil intent in Maul.
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Sep 24th, 2001 11:12 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Seems like standard danger sense to me.
If Jedi could just sense 'evil' it would be a much nicer world. As it is, they cannot read minds, it seems, though they CAN sense emotion. That being the case the hostility from Maul may have shown up but sensing always seems to have been something you concentrate on in Star Wars, as opposed to their danger/future sense which is instinctive, and far more likely to be the sort of thing that Qui-Gon would have used to be forwarned about Maul.
Meanwhile, the line about the Dark Side being difficult to see certainly goes a long way towards explaining how he has kept his cover at ALL, but I maintain that a Sith Master using his powers with tbe most powerful Jedi in the Galaxy in close proximity WOULD be detected, hard to see or otherwise, if you could sense other people using the Force.
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Sep 24th, 2001 11:18 PM |
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queeq
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Wow, Ush is a good deputy mod.
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Sep 25th, 2001 02:27 PM |
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So basicly the Jedi AND the Sith can stay hidden...
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Sep 25th, 2001 02:56 PM |
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Ushgarak
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You shouldn't connect 'hidden' to simply having your Force powers detected. The point is that Palpatine has managed to set in motion a chain of events that will soon destroy the whole Republic and its Jedi guardians, and the Jedi have not forseen it.
That's how the Dark Side is 'hard to see', I think, and we can assume it is a trait the Jedi don't share.
BTW, queeq, feel free to mod in my area if anyone complains about your modding in there...
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Sep 25th, 2001 05:07 PM |
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And seeing like Yoda who was not detected?
To get back on topic: I don't think there will be ANY ghosts in AOTC
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Sep 25th, 2001 05:18 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Sorry, what is that about Yoda?
I don't think there will be either, but many do. I wish we could have something definitive on it...
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Sep 25th, 2001 05:28 PM |
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The big question is how come that many belief that QGJ is returning
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Sep 25th, 2001 07:39 PM |
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