I still don't remember it. I remember Luke carrying Vader to the ramp and then they stop and talk. Vader takes off his mask and dies. Then it goes to another scene, doesn't it?
Why the troops leave Luke alone as he drags Vader is related to my theory about the Emperor. After the Emperor died, the troops lost the subconscious, motivational force that drove them to serve the Emperor. What does a stormtrooper do when they no longer feel the Emperor willing them to serve him? They run around like the broken machines that they now are.
Yerssot, you are worng, there is no such scene. It cuts strauight from Vader dying to some space fighting to Luke taking off; he is never seen carrying the body or the armour after Anakin dies.
So Jameous, one of your principle objections is also removed.
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My thorts have always been that it is sumthin to do with accepting death and dying willingly (eg: Ben puts up his Lsaber, Yoda lies down in bed and waits for death, but Qui Gon is struck down suddenly and does not die of his own free will, and vader is killed by the emperors Lightning. any holes, feel free to tell me.
Funnily enough this exact theory was put forward in the Official Star Wars Magazine for August/September.
Basically, the theory being that a Jedi who knows, and accepts their death disappears whilst a Jedi who dies suddenly, and was not expecting it doesn't vanish.
Now this theory does work for all the deaths we have seen so far. However, as Ush has said, it does appear that Vader does not expect OB1 to disappear and therefore isn't award of the trick.
The only counter theory to that I can say is that perhaps Anakin/Vader HAD heard of it, but had never seen it and was perplexed in that way.
No it isn't. Yerssot was mistaken there. Case of wishful thinking?
Nevertheless, I think Ush's argument of not seeing Anakin disappear so his ghost appearance is a surprise is nonsense. In the OT all we knew is that Jedi appear as ghosts when they die. It wasn't until TPM that there was obviously something special to it. Apart from Vader's surprise of course.
But Anakin appearing as a ghost was never meant to be some exciting climax. The entire scene breathes serenity and Anakin appearing as a ghost appears to be the ultimate reconciliation.
The weirdness begins when we see QGJ die, NOT disappear and being burned. Then we go back to ROTJ. We have seen two Jedi die and disappear. Anakin dies, does NOT disappear for what we can see (so no canon), we see him (or his suit) being burned and THEN he appears as a ghost. If we add that up and IF we see QGJ as a ghost in AOTC, the disappearing has to do something with a certain status in the Force. If not attained only fire can purge oneself to ghostlike afterlife.
I don't have the tape of ROTJ, I lost it
But I think that I switched two things: Luke didn't got Vader on the ship, what I saw is that Luke is pulling Vader with his arms, but than stops and than there is the dialog
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