ok but still if the webs held for more than a sec he's gone and spidey would still be able to dodge all of bats gadgets so usually i wouldn't agree with the strength wins all crap but in this case spdiey would dodge all the gadgets so the gadgets are out of it so then it comes down to fighting ability and spidey is stronger and faster and still has his webs that bats probably couldn't dodge all the time like spidey could dodge all bats gadgets sorry if i've been real repetetive but i just wann get the point across that bats gadgets wouldn't do SQUAT.
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It doesn't matter what batman has or doens't have, or has learned or hasn't learn the fact is that spidey beats him in every aspect of fighting except for possibly general intelligence(which is debatable, as shown on this thread itself)
so there you go...spiderman wins and rightfully so.
No, general knowledge is not debatable. Batman Is far more intelligent than peter parker. The intelligence that bruce holds, makes parker seem like a retard who just got done huffing on a car muffler trying to figure out chinese algerbra.
Any one who reads comics knows that bat's is of the smartest hero's or villans. The fact is, that the only thing spiderman has that batman can't counter is super strength. Everything parker has, batman has somthing to counter it with. Spidey has webbing, batman has side blades, and many other gadgets that would rip through his webbing. This makes his webbing pretty useless for offensive measures.Spidey has spidersense, batman has enlightenment and reaction time if not as good then better than spidey's, and he diddnt have to get bitten by a radioactive spider to obtain it. Spidey can web glide,batman has bat grappling. Anything else that spidey may have that batman doesnt. Bat's intelligence and gadgets more than make up for them.
You know after going through and through these facts i have to reclaim my previous statemant as batman being the under dog. I believe batman holds the advantage. I think spidey would have a lot of studying to do before he could even think about taking on the DARK knight
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wtf????Have you even been listening to this conversation????!!
It could be either.Anyway bruce is the kind of guy who would be almost killed,but would get up again and fight some more.I love spidey but he can't win against that sort of guy.
spidey is too strong, fast, and agile. i mean cum on... batman isnt even a superhero, yeah he mite be a hero but hes not a superhero. hes a normal martial artist with gadgets. its not fair for him because Spidey is out of his league so i think we should find somebody weaker for batman
strength:batman has beaten up bane, superman, amygadla(sp), the hulk and much more. these are ppl stronger so much stronger then spiderman it would be like ali arm wrestiling a 5 year old.
weapons: acid to counter and melt spidermans webbing.
intellagence: batman has gone to the most highest quility collages and universitys in europe and asia and has come out top of his class in all of them.spiderman is a high class university graduate.
fighting abilities: batman knows all 127 different forms of major combat which is much better then enhanced reflexes. he has ways of recovering extreamly well during a fight after getting hurt. he knows many resting and healing techniques. hey and alot more.
trained: batman went trough 12 years of training with ninjas for stealth and to walk as a shadow, manhunters and greatest top notch martial artists napalese monks to teach heeling techniques and also taught by African bushman for hunting techniques. spiderman got bit by a radioactive spider, which gave him enhanced reflexes.
now if u have anything to say about this then please spit it out
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In response to the "Batman is more intelligent cause he went to all the best schools ect... " argument does not mean Batman is smarter. True he is has "Book Smarts" over Spidy, but it doens't mean Spidy isn't as smart as Bats.
All the Batman supporters keep referenceing Batman books/comics to prove their points of how Batman wins against all types of opponets. They neglect to include that since it is a "Batman comic/book" that of course Batman will win just as Spidy always wins in his comics/books.
Also Spidy isn't a Billionare like Bats is so that is why Spidy never had a chance to go to the best schools like Bats did, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have done just as well as Bats. In fact since Spidy had to go to just normal schools without special tutors or teachers (like Bat had) makes Spidy ulitmatly better for accomplishing as much as he did without Billions at his disposale.
Additionaly Spidy has defeated plenty of Stronger (physically) opponets such as Venom, Carnage, Juggernaught, ect... and won through intelligent tactical desisions like Batman. Spidy has also fought super villian Geniuses such as Doctor Doom (who uses Gadgets like Bats and went to the best schools like Bats), Kingpin (not a genius but smart tacticfully), Green Goblin (who has many gadget like Bats), ect... and won all of those fights as well.
Spidy has also proven his own ability to make gadgets or chemicals to help win fights when he actually has access to the assets needed to create them such as when working with Fantastic Four equipment ect... showing if Spidy was a billionaire he would have had many gadgets like Bats as well.
In fact in one Spidy Comic it did some parallel universe thing to show that had Flash Thompson Gottan Spidy's powers instead of Peter, that Peter would have made a Spider suite (similar to Doc Oct's mettal arm suit) to defeat and remove the Spidy power from Flash showing that even as a normal human he would be able to create weapons and use his smarts to win.
Finally Spidy has fought super cosmic powered Villians (much tougher than Predators) and beat them in the end too using just his intelligence.
Spidy is know as a boy genius where Bats was more of a normal person who has billions of dollars + needed years of trainging before becoming a successful hero (as proven in a Batman comic which says Batman tried fighting crime before finishing his training, as in his early 20's I belive, and just nearly got himself killed instead) Spidy started fighting crime pertty much as soon as he got his powers and would win.
So to re-enforce my First statement the winner really depend on if it's a Batman comic vs Spiderman or a Spiderman comic vs Batman. Also Spiderman is greater in physical power (reflexes, strength, agility, speed, endurance, ect...) and if you want to compare intelligence they are equal (there are just as many instances in which Spidy uses tactics to defeat his opponets as Bats does) so the battle ultimanly means Spidy should win or luck will determine the out come.
I forgot to add that Spidy Also Beat Kraven the Hunter and Kraven's son (who was even better than his father) and both Kraven the Hunter and his son were rich people who got the best training and schooling for years since a young age + they had a potion to even further enhance their physical capibilities + gadgets like Batman's, and both of them lost to Spidy do to Spidy better tactical fighting styles.
Just to show again in Spidy Comics no matter how tough the opponent Spidy wins, just like in Batman comics Batman wins no matter how tough the opponet.
this fight really can go either way, both appoents are great fighters, and i respect them both alot. i only think that if i wrothe this comic it would be batman winning. but spiderman still isnt just going to lose hands down. i think that they are both very equil in some ways and different in other ways. and just so u know this isnt spiderman vs the bruce wayne before he was trained its spiderman vs batman, just saying.
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Yeah I know and agree that both are great fighters/heros, and would have a very close match. Overall I respect Batman as a hero more since he has no enhancements, and isn't a genuis (as in not Mr. Fantastic 4 genuis or Tony Stark aka Iron man genuis) but rather an above average intelligent guy fighting crime with nothing but guts, brains, and training.
I was just pointing out that Batman wasn't successful (ready) till around his late 20's or so. Spidy however started fighting right away and was winning while doing school and a job at the same time with no time to train or hone his skills really like Batman did.
This is just to point out that Batman has needed time and money to become as great as he is (which is very great) however Spidy is as good as he is cause he has proven the ability to adapt and win with less resources which in my opinion would go to show that in a drawn out fight Spidy would adapt faster and win.
Who ever say's batman isnt a superhero. STAND HERE so thou can be slapped. Batman is a superhero. NO doubt about that. Anyone who tried and debate that. Doesnt know to much about comics. Batman is a hero because he dedicates his life to protecting the innocent. He is SUPER, because he does things that NO other man can. Batman's quick thinking matches spidey's spider sense easily. His webbing would be usueless due to batmans gadgets. His arm blades can cut steel. So this is considering that spiderman would even be able to catch bat's with his webbing. AGain the only level spiderman beats batman on is superstrength/ Super strngth has never been a major problem for batman in the past.
One more point to prove to you people who claim batman to be anything but a superhero. Batman has fought and beaten venom. He fought and beat THE predator, And the Aliens.Not to mention the bag full of other super villians that he has beaton. If the predator ever fought spiderman, Predator would make spidey look like an action figure rag doll. Batman stood toe to toe with superman. NAME an ordinary man that can do all of this besides batman.
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Hey Rages of course Batman beat a Predator, and many other villians it's his comic or book so of course he'll win, just like Spidy always wins in his comics/books.
I'd just like to point out however that all your boasts of Batman being way superior have absolutly no logical backing. You say he's faster, more agile, better endurance, quicker reflexes, ect... then Spidy but how can you say that with no way to measure that against Spidy?
As far as I know there is nothing saying Batman's reaction time is 50 meteres per second and Spidy's is only 40 meters per second, or anything else to that degree. All you can say to prove Batman is faster, more agile, ect... is to say "in this comic/book he doged this and that so on and so forth." However for evey time Batman has dodged a bullet so has Spidy. Every time Batman has lured an opponet into a fighting style unfimilar to his oppontet so has Spidy.
Face it The only thing that can be proven in a comparsion between the two is that Spidy is stronger cause he's lifted cars before and Bats hasn't.
You can say Spidy couldn't hit Batman and Batman could find a way to easily cut Spidy's webbing, but you have no proof, which means Spidy fans can just as justifiably say Batman wouldn't be able to hit Sidy either, or Spidy would modify his webbing to be immune to Bat's acids ect...
You can't say Batman is better cause he's gone to the best schools or had the best training cause to be realistic everyone knows that just becaue you went to the best school and graduated top of your class dosen't mean you'll automatically outsmart someone who hasn't.
In the U.S. civil war Abe Lincon was a clumsy militia man where his opponet (Andrew Jackson I think) was a Professional military leader, but Abe Lincon ended up coming up with a better war time leader strategy and end up winning.
So in the end it doesn't matter who Batman has beaten in fights cause Spidy's beating someone of equal or greater power (espacially with superman cause superman really isn't that tough at all). For every time you say Bats used intelligence to win so has Spidy. So if you want to say Batman would win fine your obvioulsy a greater Batman fan and your opinion has legitimacy, however stop saying that Batman will win cause he spent 20 years studying martial arts, and 30 years studying with the best teachers + beat up so and so, cause those have no bearing on a fight with Spidy.
Hey man you need to stop twisting my words around. I never said that batman was faster or more agile. I just said that his enlightened state of mind is own kind of supersense, thus being able to withstand spidermans spidey sense. I never said he was stronger or faster. I just pointed out that his abilities would be more than enough to match spiderman's. Which they are. They only thing batman can't match spidey on any level is his super strength. Batman is more of a tactical fighter, manipulating his foe's onto a level where he can trap them or beat them. Batman would force spidey into a planned strategy. This would make bat's agility equall to spidey. I really dont think spidey's webbing would be a factor, except for gliding. I'm sure batman would welcome a first attack, seeing how he is a strategist.
I NEVER said batman is going to win because of the schools he went to. It doesnt mean a damn thing where you get your intelligence from. The fact is that Batman is far more smarter and innovative than peter parker.no matter where he got his education. IN the comic universe intelligence usually always over comes braun any day, atleast in the marvel mainstream. Batman's martial arts are a very relative aspect of this match. Even though batman's physical attacks really mean nothing, it is the calm, clear thinking which effect his agility a great deal. this is all he has gained through a lifetime of mastering the martial arts. Again i always only pointed out facts that would prove batmans, thought process and agility equall to or formitable to spidey.
I was just being sarcastic about the whole predator, and venom points, but since you want to comment on that, i will reply. You say of course he won because it's his comic. OBVIOUSLY. But let me ask you. WHY read any comics? We know superman, spiderman, batman, and the x-men are always going to win, of course there may be sacrifices, but they are always going to win. I only commented on the villians he beat because someone else pointed out the types of characters that batman HASNT beaton. I had to show everyone that bat's has fought villians just as strong if not stronger. Your logic says as long as its under the heros title, batman could beat anyone, along with spiderman
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My proof that batman could easily tear through spidey's webbing is years and years of reading comics. This entire discussion is based only on opinion,and point of view. There is NO PROOF that any one can offer. Only in character;s abilities and traits. Batman's side blades slice through steel. They are made of a revolutionary metal he designed himself. I believe it was commented to be 50 times stronger than the strongest Katana blade.Katana blades are the sharpest swords in the world. Bat's also has his battarangs, and his many different types of battarangs. If a sword can cut through spidey's webbing then batman would have NO problem slicing through. So dont say theres no proof. I'm doing nothing more than cross examining my knowledge of both comics. Of course spidey uses intelligence t
o win, just not on as grand and elaborate measures that batman has. I know your trying to point out realistic facts on why these two can't be measured in a ficticous battle. but It is merley for fun, and any time realism is introduced into a comic book you are no longer within the comic realm of marvel or D.C you have broke through to a different comic company. You just have to use the knowledge you have from the comics that you have read. I have read plenty of both. I really think this is a very even match, so i stick up for batman when every one says its one sided, because it surley isnt, it goes both ways. It only comes down to spidey's super strength and how he uses it, and how batman works around it, as i said before
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Hey sorry if you think I'm twisting your words around, it's not my intention. I've just been typing down my response to what I seem to draw as conclusions from your arguments.
For Example you said:
****Batman Is far more intelligent than peter parker. The intelligence that bruce holds, makes parker seem like a retard who just got done huffing on a car muffler trying to figure out chinese algerbra.****
What I thought you were saying was that Batman knows abunch of stuff (from going to the best schools ect...) and there for he is smarter than Spidy cause Spidy doesn't know that stuff. However intelligence can't be based soley on what you know. For example say me and you knew exactly the same stuff and then I was taught another language or something and you weren't. Just cause I now know another language doesn't mean I'm smarter than you. Yeah I may have more advantages cause of my greater knowledge (which I think is the real point your driving at) but I can't be classified as smarter.
To go on with that point say you were eventually taught the same language, but learned it (and everything else) 3 times faster than me and can apply your knowledg better than me, then you could logically say you are smarter than me.
To get back to your quote I put in, you can't say Bats is smarter unless you can list what he knows Spidy doesn't, how he uses what he knows better than Spidy uses what he knows, and prove that Bats adapts to knew things faster and more efficiently that Spidy. Now don't get the wrong idea that I'm saying Bats is or isn't smarter than Spidy I'm just saying that don't say something is a fact without proof (and saying you've cross referenced comics isn't proof you need to actually post the proof).
You also said:
****Any one who reads comics knows that bat's is of the smartest hero's or villans.****
Which again you seem to be stateing something as a fact with no actually factual evidence.
However I would like to really apoligize to mis-interpiting you when you said Spidy's only advantage was Super strength. I had thought you actually meant Bats was phycially equal or superior in speed, endurance, ability, ect... when you meant (I think) that Bats stragety would make those inconsiquently or neutralize those advantages.
Also I sorry if if seems like I'm nit picking your every sentence to find flaws in how you write something (cause I really don't thinkg you meant for any of it to come off as it did to me), it's just something I do when I argue with people to help my case. Which I might add I'm told I like to argue (and do but friendly) for fun hence typing on a form arguing one point or another. Also if I come of as hostile in how I type I don't mean that either.
And for the record I'd like to say that I think Spidy's webbing still has a high use ability as an offensive/defensive weapon. bat's may be able to cut it, but cutting it means taking time out from doing other attacks. And if totally covered with webbing Bats would have to slow down to remove all of it or leave some of it on which would hinder his movements slowing him down enough for one fatal blow. If were talking about the Spidy how use to be the Scarlet Spider (the real Spidy) but became Spidy again (yes it's confusing) compact webbing would be especially effective for slowing down Bats.
Of course my bases (which I have no proof right here for either) for Spidy to be able to actually hit Bats with his webbing is that I'm sure in some Batman comic somewhere Bats has been tied up, lassoed, or tied up temporaily in Cat women's whip perhaps, proving that in a Spidy Batman fight I'm sure Spidy would be able to hit bats with webbing in some form during the fight.
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