i dont think that remorse meant the whole intellegence thing from the collages and stuff in that way. instead i think that what he meant was how batman always uses his intellagence to form many alternate statagies. when batman is fighting an enemy he comes up with a whole wack of ideas to defeat his apponent and then uses these ideas one by one. his thinking capacity and knowlage about how to defeat an apponent, isnt that what u meant?
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Yeah I'm pertty sure what you (batmanrules) just said:
****batman always uses his intellagence to form many alternate statagies. when batman is fighting an enemy he comes up with a whole wack of ideas to defeat his apponent****ect...
was what Remorse was meaning. However the way he wrote it said something totally different (at least to me). It's not an exact quote of one of Rageremorses post but he said something to the degree of
"Batman has so much knowledge that Spidy is stupid in comparison", and "Anyone who reads comics know Batman is the smartes Hero of them all"
Which has a much different meaning than Batman always fights by devising a startegy to concentrate attacks on his opponets weak spots and ensure little or no damage is delt to himself.
I'm not the best writer so I hope what I'm trying to say is getting through correctly. I mean have any of you ever taken a course (or spent some time in class) in Middle or High school on logical reading. Basically teaching people to read things in newspapers ect... and pick up only the facts being said and/or the lack of evidence or reasoning behind the writer's "facts"
What I've been doing is just reading Rage's posts and anaylising what he says and what each word means as opposed to what he means.
I'm pertty sure I know what he's trying to get across, but to me he's not getting his point across without saing something "IS" **such as Batman/Spidy is the ect...** when it technically it's......oh never mind I don't think I'm making much sense.
How can you ask for proof in a debate that requires no proof? I wasnt trying to say that spidey was stupid when compared to batman's intelligence, just inferior. Here is solid proof. In the marvel/Dc encyclopedia. Batman is listed with a 9 for intelligence. a ten is telepathy. Spidey holds a 7. I hate using marvel or dc encyclopedia's for proof, but you asked for solid proof. Short of these two actually fighting that is the only proof that can be aquired.
I was basing my facts on the difference between the two superhero's , and there inventions,concentration, focus, technique, and use of surroundings. Spiderman's great abilities were aquired through chance. He basically just woke up one day, and had super powers allowing him to glide through the air.His super strength allowed him not focus on fighting technique, or atleast give him margain for error. Dont get me wrong, i a aware that through time he realized he needed to find a technique and mastered his abilities. Parker is of course a brilliant chemist, however batman is just as knowledgeable in chemistry. Spidey diddnt creat his weebing, only adapted it. He uses his scientist friends when he needs help in the intellectual area. Spiderman relies on many people to help him in his battles.
Batman. Relies on himself. in the comics he does the repairs to all of his vehicles, and weapons himself like the batmobile, a fusion powered jet. Not to mention his discovery into nano technology. It would take the worlds brightest minds together with about 20 years to invent some of the things batman has. Batman is knowledgable in every aspect of education.Bruce wayne wasnt taught all this knowledge through the schools he went to. Most of what he has learned was self exploration and study. The same with martial arts, his teacher died when bruce was just a black belt in hap kido. All the other arts he has mastered was on his own accord, with no instruction. Bruce studied human anatomy cross studied with ancient chinese martial arts so he would find the most crucial and deadly of pressure points on the body.Bruce also studied psychology with the goal of being able to take on his opponents state of mind. this is what makes him such a great detective,
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Parker is a great chemist, aside of that. He doesnt know jack when it comes to advanced weaponry, rocket science, human anatomy, fighting techniques, law enforcment, psychology in all it's forms, tactical engagement.
Before anyone busts a *** and says"well spidey is fluent in many fighting techniques" Parker mirrored most of his fighting techniques from a comic book he grew up reading. Parker gains his knowledge from expierence. Bruce aquires it with vigerous studying, and also expierence.
Theses are all facts from my history of growing up and reading both hero's. So yes my cross examination of the two comics do hold facts. Atleast in this case of comparing thier intellectual abilities. Spidey may be faster and stronger, but batman has expierence.,and top physical human ability that allows him to match spidey's feirce agility. I'm not saying that batman is on the same level of spiderman's speed, just able to offer enough to the table to make the speed aspect equal, spidey's speed could eventually be an aspect to batman's demise, but it would take great calculation of his abilities. Now that intelligence has been proven to be one sided, and speed has been touched, all that is left now is strength. BATMAN has a very very good chance of winning
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just wondering.. im not really sure of this but didnt batman have other people build all his equipment? he didnt build all his gadgets and vechicles buy himself
well isn't it also true that batman is the 3rd best martial artist in the world? so obviously those people would be able to do more then him fighting wise no?
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errr hello?? Eidolon have u ever actually read a spiderman comic?? ...... no i didnt think so. Spiderman was a book nerd. he always uses his brains. Spiderman has superstrength he'd only have to punch Batman and that'd probly kill him.END OF DISCUSSION
Berrill, yeah I've read Spidy comics...as for your other response I thought I've been saying Spidy does use his intelligence in fights and would only need one good punch to put Bats down (read my earlier posts).
Now back to Ragesremorse, thanks for the proof of Bats having greater overall intelligence, I guess that's setteled. However the intelligence difference isn't that great, and I think your selling super strength or Spidy's greater physical ability too short.
I know that Superior physical ability does not gurantee victory as you've pointed out by both Bats and Spidy beating physically superior opponets, however phycicall power has overcome mental superiority as well. Take the Hulk (old) for example, he was hardly the best tactician or get in your head fighter, but he fought opponents like the leader who specialize in tactics and pyhcological fighting techneqies. Carnage is far dumber than Spidy and yet Spidy required help to defeat Carnage pertty much everytime. The Jackel was a smart pyhcological type fighter and Spidy beat him.
As far as Spidy's fighting styles, I know he doesn't have any training, he does seem to have a natural grace (due to Spidy powers) which make his fighting style enough to beat martial aritist of high degree.
To go back to Bat's winning in his comics, Spidy in his the main reason Bats is alway able to avoid the one blow needed to kill him is cause he's the hero right? But if it were too hero's fighting like in Spidy and Bats, and it was neither of their comics (meaning neither is destine to win cause they're suppos to) it would be a close fight, but in the end I think Spidy would be able to get in the one killer punch due to the fact that he isn't a complete idiot in strategy or pyhcological warefare (he's fought opponents like mysterio ect...) and the fact he's most likly faster and more agilie than Bats. He'd hit Bats at least with one good hit which would kill him or allow for another hit, which would.
I guess it comes down to who you like more and if you believe in greater physical power or mental.
Hey if you got the encyclopedia could you post all the stats for both the hero's? Also I'm assuming it's Older out of highschool and married Spidy (thus more experienced) fighting same age Bats.
Well Spidey can't dodge knockout gas (he's a sucker for that one all the time) and how many times have we seen Spidey get knocked around by bombs?
There's alot of Bat bashing going on in this thread and that's cool after all, it is a Spidey based thread but you know what? love him or hate him, Batman is the man and he doesn't need anyone to tell him.
I like both but Batman has my vote
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Hi Eidolon, post me the batman and spider-man stats, if so could you get stats on gambit and hulk. you seem to know everything about the super-hero world.
ok look i know everything there is to know about the webslinging super hero, from 1st impressions and from wot iv seen on tv id say spidey wud win, but the batman comics i havent read (which i wanna start doin at sum point) so it could go either way, but look at the odds:
The super hero with the greater Intelligents, Batman
The super hero with the greater strength, spidey
The super hero with the greater speed, spidey
The super hero with the greater agility, spidey
The super hero with the greater gadgets, batman
So if bats had time to prepare he migth devise a plan to take spidey down, by using some special gas to null the web heads spidey sense like the goblin did to lern his identity, and then set him into a trap, but then spideys got super quick reactions so he could get out of a trap, then bats has his batarangs and throwin gdgets which spidey cud easily dodge even with out his spidey sense, sure he cant dodge explosions but he can use his webbing to contain or weaken sum of the blast but then batman has his knock out gas and i cant count the amount of times spidey has bin knocked out by gas, but he has been known if he was prepared to bring a small gas filter with him or even take a deep breath fast enough but iv only counted 2 comics with him doin tht, and he can contain gas with his webbing.
Then again wots to stopping him from webbing bats utility belt up so he cnt get ne gadgets. Thn he also has his seditive stingers to knock bats unconsious with let alone 1 punchwhen combined with his speed. Id have 2 say spidey wud win but if bats has ne special gadgets in his gloves im unaware of or an actual plausable explanation to defeat these points sum1 let me know. And I want sum1 who reeds batman comics and knows him as well as i know spidey to tell me, insted of these ppl who say there major batman fans when they havent red a single batman comic, well i am in tht catagory but im just asyaing how easy spidey wud win so sum1 show me a gd strtagy where batman cud win.
Ok, Batman's intelligence alone is a lethal weapon. First off, Batman wouldn't try to match Spidey for strength and speed if he knows that he's outmatched in that area. Batman has a wide array of weaponry and if he can't use something to directly attack spidey, he could use something to distract him like let's say a flurry of batarangs coming at him so he doesn't realize that Bats has an electric stun device waiting for him elsewhere. Spidey's spider senses will go off but he may think it's from the batarangs fast approaching his head(Spidey has misread his own spider senses numerous times)
You think Batman is going to chase Spider-Man? Oh no, Batman will be the Spider and Webhead will be the fly in this scenerio.
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Hi Eidolon, post me the batman and spider-man stats, if so could you get stats on gambit and hulk. you seem to know everything about the super-hero world.
