That's nice and all, but we know that.....SO, all their fighting is in vein? perhaps they could have elaborated on that, and with all the inconsistancies in the architects litt;e speech, ya couldn't take everything he said to be real. Maybe a timeline of when that zion cycle theory occured? From teh animatrix, I could see that man had to huddle to a place underground, and so why would man be so lost in zion to not even know that they are in a zoo? If that's all completely true, and you knew that in the second movie, then that would mean you'd have to accept that Nothing big would happen in the third movie, that man is never going to break free of a cycle, and so why would you go see the third movie if you know there wouldnt be any point inn fighting for zion, freeing humans ect..... They didn't explain the 6 Neo, Zion thing .....
BTW: people clap in American theatres when a movbie is good, like LOTR, or the first Star Wars...
see but "the zero", or the counter-equation never had to deal with this before because...according to good ole archie....that all the previous "versions"...the "one" had chosen the same path...which was different from neo's....therefore the machines had to "prepare" in a sense which may be why smith got out of control...again these are all theories but by arguing we should find the truth eventually
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I just finished reading all the posts so far and I watched revolutions this morning. A few things that have come to mind:
1. Assuming that the majority of the script had been written prior to Gloria Foster's death. This movie would had been a lot more powerful to have had the same lovable oracle that we have all come to love. Therefore it is only right to give the W. brothers a handicap on this out of control situation.
2. Although there may be questions remaining, realize two things. First what are their importance to the overall meaning of the movie. That differs for each person but to many the idea that man and machine could find a way to live peacefully was quite fullfilling. Also remember the handy bonus features that come along with DVD's therefore most likely many of the small little details will be answered in time.
3. It was my impression that Neo is dead as there are a lot of people still questioning that idea. To prove this why not ask the man himself Neo in the movie states "it is inevitable". It would be impossible for Neo to have survived if Smith died. You have to view Smith's evilness as a bad thing for humanity and machines as equivalent to Neo's goodness as a bad thing for humanity and machines. It would be a mathematical impossibility for the Matrix's equations to have only one side of the equation balance. If Neo were to survive he would have destroyed both worlds as much as Smith would have. The exception being that the W. brothers didn't play on this angle as much as they probably should have.
4. No matter what the ending had to be or what it could have been or what it is. Its the ending that was choosen and choosen for a reason. Instead of trying to juxtapose likes and dislikes, try to image why this is the way it happened and add depth to perhaps the underlying messages and themes seen throughout the other two. This is not to say try and do the job the W. brothers should have done, but instead try to see that if they achieved this so called greatness with M1, maybe you are blinded by the truth.
Well, then, you can only come to a conclusion that the machines will be running the show, and its Man's punishment for creating them. Are the machines an evolution of life then? That's great, Man is now obsolete. Apperently, the machines learned to love andunderstand carma, ect. No need for us humans anymore.
Didn't the two programs that were the parents of the little girl say they had made a deal with the frenchman to get her out of the matrix? Then how come she's with the oracle later on?
I suppose you could say the machines destroy the "zoo" because they feel the free humans are getting too powerful, and hence destroying it and allowing it to be rebuilt from scratch; with the first few humans as stated in the Architect's speech; allows the machines to keep the free humans in check.
Are you sure people applaud in cinemas? The film creators aren't there to hear the applause, unless it's a special preview showing or something.
Alright, the mark of a great man is his being able to accept when he is wrong, so, I was wrong, about some things. I was wrong about the Mother, i understand that now. I was wrong about Neo and the One code, but i was right that Neo and Smith would have to merge to stop the war. I was correct about Trin dying, but i didnt think Neo would die (although i still think he is not dead, after all, that "funeral barge", if you want to call it that, WOULD NOT glow like it did, unless that which is on it is still alive. that is my belief, that Neo ascended, and is now part of the matrix.) I was wrong about how the trainman worked, and who he worked for. I was wrong about the purpose of the Architect and the Oracle (although it now answers where Smith came from; Archie himself)
the only questions left unanswered were:
1) if Sati was going into the Matrix, where was she coming FROM?!?! answers, anybody?
2) what DO the Merov and Perse do?
oh, and, yes, people applaud and laugh in the cinema, i didnt hear what Neo was saying while sitting in Limbo...All in All, the BEST movie i have seen. Although, as the koz-man said, it is no longer the best of the Matrix, it is the best trilogy, indeed the best movies, of all time.
Ok, now, who thought the sunrise was Neo? and who cried when Mifune got ripped apart? that was so sad...i had tears, and again when Trin died...although, the way Neo allowed Smith to take him, surprised me.
Omega> could you please explain about the "cookies need love too" part, cause, that was just so COOL!!!! oh, and, sorry about the length of my post, too much information for one time.
I watched Revolutions yesterday and was not altogether disappointed but didnt like the ending. I feel it started off kinda slow but gathered momentum...most of my questions were answered but then it ended basically not far off from where it started...
The humans and machines are back where they began....the machines still need to harvest humans for energy which means the humans still arent free, and the humans are still stuck in their underground city!
What about those questions!
Im with the whole concept of they need each other but I somehow think the machines are much better off.
Read all of the comments so far and have a couple of observations and comments myself:-
1. Yes in the US they clap and hoot and holler if a movie is good.
2. Nope they don't do much of that in the UK (sometimes in West End (london) cinemas) because we're too damn reserved
3. My view of who or what Smith was is simply that Smith was a virus that got out of control within the matrix. To eradicate the virus Neo had to 'fight' him but essentially I saw that bit at the end when Smith 'defeated' Neo and Neo's jacked in body started all that twitching was kinda like he was being patched by Nortons :P to eradicate the virus entirely.
4. Smith, the Virus, was created as a result of Neo (the anomaly) 'entering' him in M1, basically 2 programs (as when you're jacked in to the Matrix you are a program , a series of 0's and 1's) crashing into each other, the result being that a 2nd Anomaly was created (smith the virus).
5. Why weren't the twins there? I thought they got destroyed in M2 /shrug wasn't an issue...
6. The 'shell' idea was quite a novel idea imho, in the context of a computer program taking on another shell.
7. The concept of Choice is abound throughout the movies, all three of them and it is this concept of choice which not only creates the anomaly (neo) in the first place but also ultimately destroys Smith at the end as he lacks the 'humanity' to deal with the concept of free choice. No matter what Smith does he knows that he will never defeat Neo (the humans) due to this concept of Choice which is an alien concept to what is ultimately a string of 0's and 1's.
I have some more points to make but I need to think more about them.
I enjoyed M3 it did answer alot of the questions that M2 left.
The last 5 minutes of the movie left me with even more questions and that was ultimately annoying.
There were a number of inconsistencies also which were annoying.
For example when that young kid was trying to open Gate 3 at the Dock in the big battle, him and Z managed to get the gate open and literally seconds later the Hammer came blasting through the doors and yet both Z and the boy survived??
I could understand the concept of the 'Machine' calling a truce to eradicate the virus in the Matrix (Smith) but surely the 'Machine' would then just eradicate the humans once and for all after it had used Neo for its own ends?? Unless of course they are trying to make out that the 'Machines' finally learnt the lesson of compassion.
Or that , as the Architect alluded to in the M2, the anomaly (Neo) was as a result of the imperfections of the Matrix, i.e the anomaly and the whole prophecy thing being completed was like a kind of ongoing 'patch' to keep the matrix running.... Therefore the Machine even having used this 'Anomaly' to eradicate this virus (second anomaly Smith) realised that it was futile to continue down this path of eradicating the Humans (zion/anomaly) and therefore Choice.
/shrug
Lots of questions hehe I'm scratching my head way too much.
An enjoyable trilogy but leaves a hell of alot to interpretation and as this thread alone displays leaves alot to be said about us as human beings, and maybe that is the point?
overall i must say i was a little bit diasapointed right after seeing revolutions. i think that was probably because i was so excited for it that my expectations were sky high, and also because i wasnt crazy about how it ended. the battle scenes in zion were awesome! i was a bit confused so after seeing it i had to get a few questions answered. i hate being confused. i thought the story they came up with was awesome. but anyways i thought it was an awesome movie and i was shaking the whole time. very entertaining.
(i did wish the asian guy (forget his name) had a kick as battle scene though. i really liked him)
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It has been suggested, not by me, that Smith was the other side to the equation that wa created to make the Matrix perfect - Neo was the remainder, the 1% left over that would not accept the programming of the matrix. Neo's ability to make a choice meant that the programming could not complete its equation. Smith was created to balance out the anomoly.
Smith existed because of Neo. Neo is the One (1), Smith is the Zero (0). Smith becomes a virus, or a cancer in the programming of the Matrix, like Neo, finding a way to escape it. As Neo gains his powers (ability to fly, etc...) so Smith gains these abilities as well. Neo has to be destroyed in order for smith to be deleted. Smith, in his maddening desire to understand Neo (an impossibility, considering they are like opposite sides of the one coin), must absorb Neo, cloning himself onto Neo's digital self. When he does this, Smith taps back directly into the source computer, something he has always being trying to escape from. Neo provided the connection directly to the source, and Smith is deleted - Neo dies. In a way, the source kills Neo, who has become absorbed/replicated into Smith, and consequently Smith destroys himself, and all his clones are killed. Neo and Smith Cancel out each other, although do 1s and 0s cancel each other? Or is something still left over....?
My friend and I sat for ages afterwards (Until the sun came up, discussing it - crazy times!)
Still many questions, but that is okay - all part of the fun!
1. What happened at the end of the movie where the black cat comes and Sati and the oracle and the archetech are talking. What is going on here in their dialog.
2. Is Neo Dead? What did Oracle mean when Sait asks " is neo coming back" "I imagine so" oracle.
3.Why does sati have the power to make the sun rise??
4.Who is mervovigian?
5.How did neo get to mobile station?
6.Why is he in trapped betweeen the real world and the MAtrix.
7. WHy couldt the machines go above the clouds?
8.Who was Seraph, Di he betray Merv? "Ah the prodical son, Judus" sadi merv to seraph?
9.Did smith clone sait and seraph.
10. DId the oracle make Smith?
These are just some questions I didnt seem to get answered completely
what was Neo's sacrifice why he had to get asimilated and wtf did they talk about at the end the architect and the oracle?
oh yeah and seroph an angel?
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