1) the black cat shows deja vu, aka the matrix being rewritten. The Oracle and the Architect are talking about the fact that the Oracle made a very ballsy move by trying to get Neo to save humanity by co-existence, and the Oracle makes sure that this time it's different.
2) No, i do not think Neo is dead, i think he has transcended, and he is still alive. After all, his body, although it looks dead, is glowing a bright color.
3) Sati is more powerful than any other program because of what she is; the product of love between two programs.
4) i donot know.
5) His mind was placed there, assumably by Mero.
6) see above.
7) It would require more energy than they could get from the sun.
8) i don't know, i would have to go back and watch it again
9) yes
10) i do not think so, i think Architect made smith, "to balance the equation"
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Last edited by JediHDM on Nov 6th, 2003 at 12:49 PM
ya, it met them, though i wouldn't have minded if it had been even longer. i love the dialogue in it too. smith acting arrogant is so cool. but i loved it when neo actually smashed a dent in his face and when smith bled.
and no, i haven't ever watched dbz, too childish thx for reminding me to change it btw.
I thought i'd join this forum as none of my mates have seen revolutions yet and I and im bursting to hear other peoples views on it and have my own say.
Well, I gotta start by saying I have mixed feelings about the film. In my opinion, the M1 had a great, dark feel to it. Bullet time did it for me along with the great fight seens, great camera angles and overall feel of the movie. M2 was a bit too holliwood as I thought although the highway seen was a great action sequence it had no place in the matrix.
Now to M3.. I must admit I was expecting more. Not more action but more jaw-dropping, more suspense and I have to say.. more answers. Merv is an excellent chararter but had a very insignificant part to play. I liked the Mobil Ave..'limbo' idea as it explained the end of the last film. I just feel that as the triology has unravelled it has slowly lost what I loved so much about the first film, the dark atmospheric scenes, its rawness, the thing that seperated it from other films in its genre.
Maatrix> I’ll elaborate a little on JediHDM’s answers.
1) The black cat is from M1, remember? A deja-vu means “they” change something. The Matrix is being repaired –aka changed. Then we meet the Oracle, Sati, Seraph and the Architect. There has been made peace, and the Architect promises to free those humans in the matrix who truly want to become free. The 1 % who do not accept the program, and anyone else, who, if presented with the choice, would want to.
2) Neo’s body is dead. His mind may have transcended, become One with the Matrix, or perhaps confined to a part of it. (The entire Mobile Ave is still slightly unclear).
3) Sati can apparently make thing beautiful. That is all she can do, and that purpose was not enough in the machine-world, so she was meant for deletion.
4) The Merovingian was an old and powerful program, that dealt with the moving of information and essentially had control over the Matrix’ “trashcan”.
5) The Oracle explains, that Neo’s powers extends back through the path to the Source. He’s for all practical purposes a human with a downloaded access to the Source itself, and he can access it through wireless. When he stopped the sentinels he wasn’t ready to understand this, and it should’ve killed him. Because his mind is “half-machine” because of the anomaly-code, his mind went to the “trash-can” of the Matrix, which the Merovingian controls. Just like you can change your mind about deleted stuff on your own computer, the Mero can move deleted things from Mobil Ave back to the Matrix.
6) See 5)
7) The clouds are several kilometres up in the air. The machines (nor us) cannot built so high as to go above clouds.
8) Seraph was an “old” exile program designed to protect (think firewall), which the system assimilated as an “angel”. The Seraph-program was meant for deletion, but the Mero took him in. When and why Seraph chose to leave the Mero is uncertain.
9) Yes.
10) No. Neo made the Smith-virus.
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hum... i thought the movie was great. i see a lot of people seem dissapointed... that happens sometimes with expectations. i thought it tied everything up quite nicely. i thought it could have used some more fist fighting scenes, but thats not why i went to see the movie.
walking out i was explaning that mobile ave was the recycle bin... i liked the conversation between neo and the family at mobil ave... the biggest dissapointment for me is that there will be no fourth movie.
There is an electrical storm going on in the clouds. That's why any electronic flying object cannot go above the cloud cover. That's why the sentinels got defeated and the Logos turned off. Seraph was one of these programs the Oracle has spoken for (ghosts, angels etc.) An exile program who was designed to protect the Mero before exile. Now he protects the Oracle and apparently he has fought Smith several times protecting Mero (he is an exile program too!). Neo is not dead. In the "funeral" scene we saw through Neo's eyes for a moment. That means he is still alive.
priestjim> We saw Neo being transported away on a floating craft of some kind as IF we were looking through Neo's eyes. But it was still a scene of Neo.
__________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
-Voltaire
"That includes ruining Halloween because someone swallowed a Bible."
"I just thought you were a guy."
"... Most guys do."
I hope the Bro's will release their scripts on the DVD or something and tell what it's really all about and how they came to think of the sequels this way... Maybe then we'll all understand what they are on about.
BTW, in each movie, you see '101' everywhere... In m1 it was room 101, in m2 there was 101 on the wall when they go meet the Merv and if I'm correct the highway was highway 101... Did anyone see anything else regarding to this? What could it mean? Is it binary code?
Priestjim> I cried when Neo and Trinity died. But it was, as was Neo’s last words ”inevitable.”
He sacrificed himself. When Trinity died, he could finally do it. That was why it took him so long to figure out where his PATH truly ended.
Sado> There is a thread on the number 101. Try using the search-feature.
__________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
-Voltaire
"That includes ruining Halloween because someone swallowed a Bible."
"I just thought you were a guy."
"... Most guys do."
I posted something earlier but I believe that thread got deleted by a forum mod... It was about the girl...
The little girl... She bothers me. I think you can all follow me on this. Remember, in the first Matrix, Morpheus explains to Neo how the Matrix functions? He says something like 'when the matrix was first designed there was a man born inside who had the ability to change everything as he saw fit'. Now, the matrix is 'reloaded' and reset, and there is a program/man born inside -- the little girl. She has no purpose at first. But she was one of the first programs born inside of the matrix -- thats why the parents wanted to protect her. I think you all know what I'm trying to say now. At the end of the movie, doesn't she make the sun shine bright just for Neo? She has the ability to change the matrix as she sees fit. And the best thing is that she works with the Oracle. In other words; she is the man born inside, and she will free additional minds, after which the entire thing will begin again. Neo will be born; Smith will go mad... etc. The entire matrix is just a big fat loop.
Also, I'm trying to figure out exactly what is diffirent from the previous versions of the matrices. Now that Morpheus knows that the Matrix can be resetted, what will he do? Free more minds? Will it take another lifetime before another 'One' will be born, and will he be long dead by then? It's still very confusing. The Oracle can see in the future because she can understand her choices. That's why she expected Agent Smith. She is constantly trying to get Neo to realize that. but I think Neo is just an insecure guy that got bullied during his school time or something... Do you think Neo realized that he can actually look in the future a bit as well, just like the Oracle?
Wasn't Smith a little bit funny? Every time we was taking over an important character (Neo, his mum) he looked very scared! And what happened when he said "Yes I've seen this before! I say "Everything that has a beggining has an end"...wait what did I just say?"
I was thinking about this b4 i slept. Smith came back in Reloaded because he was compelled to disobey. He says it was purpose that created us and without purpose we wouldn't exist. So his new purpose was to destroy Neo. After assimilating him he has completed his ultimate goal and has no more purpose. Ergo he has no reason to exist and explodes/deletes/selfdestruct/etc.
I think Mr.Smith himself experienced a deja vu... I think he's been agent in more than just one version of the Matrix. And I also think that the entire path Neo walked had been laid out... He really didn't have a choice, as the Merv said. Him thinking that he had a choice was just an illusion. The same went for Smithy.
Smithy finally realizes in that scene that he's just a mere puppet, while he think he's a god... He's like Morphy. All of his dreams shattered.
Poor smithy... He really isn't such a bad guy once you get to know him...
G'day forum.please dont forget that neo was the six "resurection".All other previous "one's"choose to rebuild Zion.That is after re-insertion of the code.This time is like the end of the other Ones,physically that is,with the exception of the last choice of securing peace but giving away life for it.
The little girl is not only “The last Exile” as Smith call her. She’s special, in as much as she wasn’t written with a specific and practical purpose by her parent-programs.
The Matrix was not reloaded/reset as pr the Architects explanation. It was reset to clean op the mess after the Smith/Neo fight, but it wasn’t reloaded.
The “man born inside the matrix”, whom Morpheus refers to was the FIFTH anomaly, is Neo’s immediate predecessor. And he experienced a path somewhat akin to that of Neo, met the Architect and chose 23 individuals FROM the Matrix, to rebuild Zion.
But all of Neo’s predecessors, all The Ones, were human. The little girl is not the next One. The war is over. Those who wish to be freed will be freed, so the anomaly will not built up again. She’s not a program that was “one of the first” born inside the matrix. She IS powerful, perhaps the Oracles successor?
What’s different from the previous version is that Neo did NOT return to the Source, Zion was not destroyed and rebuild by a One and 23 people from the Matrix. As long as the machines free the 1 % who do not accept the Matrix, an anomaly will not appear again.
__________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
-Voltaire
"That includes ruining Halloween because someone swallowed a Bible."
"I just thought you were a guy."
"... Most guys do."
Then was Morpheus one of the 23 people selected from the matrix?
Also, Ive been thinking all along that the 1% of the peeps all were released from the Matrix? Or else they would grow dangerous? So that also means that an anomaly doesnt exist is long as all of those people are released?
That Sati girl has amazing potential... But then again, she doesnt have purpose -- just like Smith also had no purpose. That means that programs without purpose have very strong powers inside the matrix. In a way, the One also has no purpose, since he's actually not meant to be or not welcomed... Everything in the matrix without purpose poses a big threath to the system. I guess that's just as in real life.
Sado> No. Morpheus is not 100 years old, and this version of the Matrix ran for 100 years (as per Morpheus speech in Zion in M2.) he was freed as Trinity and Neo were freed.
Anomaly and freed people: Not all of the 1 % dissidents were freed. Some grew too old, some couldn’t be found by the rebels. But now the Architect has promised to free all those from the Matrix who wish to be freed. Up until now, it was the joint subconscious disbelief of this 1% who made the anomaly in run after run of the Matrix.
Sati doesn’t have a practical purpose. Smith (after being “Unplugged”) made his own: To KILL Neo. A very human feeling of revenge. Neo DID have a purpose as The One. Namely to return to the Source and reload the Matrix. It was when he diverged from that purpose, that he became a real thread to the matrix, but eventually became it’s “saviour”.
__________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
-Voltaire
"That includes ruining Halloween because someone swallowed a Bible."
"I just thought you were a guy."
"... Most guys do."
Last edited by The Omega on Nov 6th, 2003 at 03:21 PM
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Nov 6th, 2003 12:45 PM
thx for reminding me to change it btw. 
