Ok. None of you know me, and this way to late for anything of a sort, but I feel i should say my piece anyway. Morpheus is describing Neo from the prophecym which, if you were paying attention to Reloaded, you would have heard that the prophecy was bs. And in the first one, the guy that was born in the Matrix who could control it who gave them the prophecy, he was one of the last 5 "Ones". The Prophecy was bullshit fed to Zion as a way to give them hope. As for powers going into the real world. The source is universal, for all programs, all AIs, all machines, and all of the like. Therefor, when he connected with the source, he stayed connected, or at least a part of him did. So in the real world, he can see them, and he take there metallic asses down two. And seriously, dumbf- dumbshit: what plotholes? Maybe if you payed attention to the DAMN MOVIE, you would have noticed that everything was covered.
OK dipshits, if the "batterys" dont wont to be freed the people in zion or the "real world" can not free them because they wont accept it and go into a state of complete shock. Second of all the theme of the movie is everything happens for a reason. There are no plot wholes in the movie if you see that is the theme. They live in harmony because it was a human who saved them...had Neo not saved them then the machines would also not exist. No one ever said they had to stay in ZION. I also think it is pathetic how you have nothing better to do then wine and ***** about a movie YOU didn't like. THE MOVIE was amazing. No the directors did not sell out in M2 and M3 because they were made at once and released seperately. WHO THINKS THESE WHINEY BITCHES NEED TO STFU! I DO!
I THINK YOU NEED TO WATCH ALL THREE MOVIES and PAY ATTENTION. IF YOU PAY ATTENTION TO ALL THE MOVIES THERE ARE NO PLOT HOLES, EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE
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yeah i deffaintly agree with you. These same people bit*hen saw the movies more than most die hard fans, they own the first one and reloaded. There just upset that the movies diddnt turn out to be what they created it to be in there mind. These movies arent what you want them to be. They are the story of the wachowski brothers. This story is told flawlessly with great pace and style. Not to mention great cinematic work. It ended with an ending to give the entire movies meaning. It also give you a chance to become apart of the movies, it leaves some questions unanswered and lets you decide for yourself. This allows the story to live on through you. I mean these people made reloaded and revolutions for you, they made them because of fans request.
One more thing, how is the prophecy bullshit? I mean everything that was prophesized happend. Doesnt this make the prophecy true? You know the oracle tells people what they need to know. Maybe she told morpheus is was a lie because it was what he needed to know. Because everything that was said to happen in the prophecy happend. It could be coincidence, but the entire movie is based around logic that there is no coincidence.
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I applaude you for saying the same things I have been trying to make points on for days!
I fear that no matter how you explain it, there are some who are just not going to understand that.
rages -- I especially agree with what you stated about how if it ended they way they wanted to (or some other corny cop out fashion) these same people would be raising hell and the rest of us would have been disappointed in a pathetic ending to a great story. If it turned out to be MWAM, or if the machines/man one, then it would have seemed to sci-fi fantasy with an unsettling and unrealistic ending.
The fact is, the characters that did not have the developement, as intruiging as they were, had no more to do with this story. Just like in life we meet interesting people every day, and we may even interact with them for a time, but when our time is done they were but a moment that intersected with our path and went on. Life gives you questions not answers - so did these movies. I find the questions that they give very satisfying, and the answers that I recieved very rewarding.
No. This movie could not have been better.
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yeah i agree. with the movies being rewarding. They give you a sense of fantasictal adventure that has been absent in movies and books for a long time. Not to mention the thoughts they provoke. I truly dont know where people got the idea for an MWAM. I mean the brothers care so much about these movies, and about how the fans will accept them. im angered at just the idea of a mwam. That would make the entire story pointless. you would have to ask yourself why the previous two were made. If an MWAM was introduced into the story. This is just proof of how so many people give somthing meaning that was never intended
Down to the defeat of agent smith, everything was carefully maticulated into perfection. Alot of movie makers care about the story there telling, but they rarely go the extra mile to give it style, and substance. Everyone involved with these movies cared about what they were working on. It is very apparent. Especially with all the little things the brothers incoorperated with. Like the names of characters and the dialogue they use which refers to certain philosophers.This is just one of a thousand little things waiting for your discovery Its a perfect circle with many circles within itself that offer great entertainment. All you have to do is open your mind a bit.
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Gmpho> The Wachoskis stated before Reloaded came out that “The Matrix Sequel” was everything. The Matrix Reloaded, Enter the Matrix, Animatrix, and The Matrix Revolutions. They served this as a full crossover between different types of media: Movies, animee and a game.
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Obba> But that’s one of the many things which makes these movies outstanding. You NEVER know what will happen.
Sure, the human side of me would’ve wanted Neo and Trinity to survive. But the W-brothers didn’t mean for them to survive, so when you watch the movies again, keep that knowledge in mind. I accept that (although I cried my eyes out), because that was Thw Wachoski’s vision of these movies.
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Big let down. all this could hae been done in last movie. This ruin the trilogy. When they have a big deal about reloaded machines, you know they filling time. It was a waste of my time. I want be downloading this from the net.
m1 good
m2 ok
m3 waste of time
I feel for all of you who think this is great scifi. The doesn't rank near the classics like the day the erath stood still, aliens, star wars, blade runner and others. This ranked with armegedon, and not as good. hollywood attempt to make more money instead of a better movie.
No suprise that they released it world wide. They were afraid the message would get out. Even Mr. Reeves new it sucked, he took a flat salary over points.
You know they will have sequels and spinoff movies
It all about the DOLLAR. I am ashamed to say i wastes all that time analyzing the movie.
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f.y.i, this is not rated as the usual scifi flicks, so i think it's unfair to compare it to those other movies....this is real, well near real, it could happen, and this is exactly the way it would be in real life
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Wow, real??
Now I might why both sides of the fence are wonderning why the other liked/disliked. Some think it's just a movie, others are all about this in RL
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Hey guys.I've noticed something interesting around here.Pretend that this forum is The Matrix. Pretend that the people who like the matrix are agents(Sorry).Now pretend that the opposing side are the rebels.Get what mean?
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Nov 8th, 2003 07:57 AM
Who was that masked man?!
could you explain
