ok, based upon the subtle examples that have already been shown countless times in this and other threads, i, for one, believe Neo is still alive. Glowing body, fact that Neo's RSI is not lying in the ditch like the Oracle's body, and the 'appearance' of a lotus blossoming, are some of these examples.
I think Sati might actually be the program for whether or an old program for whether. She can make the sun rise and I think when agent smith got her he was able to make it rain and thunder.
What does the lotus flower symbolize?
Why did neo give up at the end? Did he know they would "upload a virus?"
Was the oracle controlling smith or did she only say" Eberything that has a beginning has an end."
Who is seraph? Is he angel? Seraph does mean angel and when going to Hel Club the quard says "Holy shit it wingless"
How did seraph know that Merv would be in that night club and not at the cheateu?
Why is persephone still together with Merv?
Why did the oracle want peace yet it seems that the ARC didnt want from the Quote "How long do you think this peace will last."
I know this is alot but i thought i should bring these up.
I think that all these questions are admonitions to the ruptured ending of Revolutions. I stand firmly with the sentiment that you cannot kill off Neo and Trinity and achieve positive approval from Matrix fans. Neo was "the one" - (I hope I am not remiss in saying this) - everyone wanted to see Neo's evolution into a kick azz, full of theological integrity, agent Smith eliminating, hero!! Why, why, why the brothers didn't have Neo take out Smith in some awsome(ly) powerful way - return to (an alive and well) Trinity - return to a cheering Zion and maybe even tie the not. Just one of many better ways of ending this fabulous movie theory. Hence, the confusion is contingent upon the fragility of the Matrix(s) ending.
I think that all these questions are admonitions to the ruptured ending of Revolutions. I stand firmly with the sentiment that you cannot kill off Neo and Trinity and achieve positive approval from Matrix fans. Neo was "the one" - (I hope I am not remiss in saying this) - everyone wanted to see Neo's evolution into a kick azz, full of theological integrity, agent Smith eliminating, hero!! Why, why, why the brothers didn't have Neo take out Smith in some awesome(ly) powerful way - return to (an alive and well) Trinity - return to a cheering Zion and maybe even tie the not. Just one of many better ways of ending this fabulous movie theory. Hence, the confusion is contingent upon the fragility of the Matrix(s) ending.
Okay, good questions. I don't know if all of them matter, but anuway, i will try to answer some.
Why did the oracle want to be in agent smith? Well, for one, she had no choise. Smith is to strong for her and resistance would be meaningless. I also believe that this way she could instruct Neo. You can hear her speak instead of Smith.
Where was Sati born? I have no clue. I don't believe it is mentioned anywhere and we have no information on however that happens with other programs. I think a very bad move, the W bros shouldn't kep us this dumb. What we know is that she is an exile, a program without no pupose. I posted my own thoughts about her in a thread this morning: "Sati, the missing link", so check it out.
Neo did indead know the would "upload a virus" as you call it. I more believe they at that point used his code to reboot the matrix (see thread: "Seventh version of the matrix"). And yes, I believe he knew this, because of the words Smith was speaking (the Oracle).
Furthermore, I don't know what exactly Seraph is accept a GUARDING angel. But I do believe a whole story is attached to him. And I guess every program knows how to find the Merv. He's not psychic.
Persephone has no choice but to stay with the Merv I guess. I think she has no purpose anymore and is only safe with him.
The last question, why the Oracle wants peace being a machine and all, well.... I do not know if it is peace she really wants. She just wants both party's to live their own lives, and if it's possible together. She also new that the newfound truce was the only way for both party's to stay alive. If Neo wouldn't have made the deal, than the Matrix would have crashed (no mare power from the Matrix for the Machines) and the machines would have killed everybody within Zion. So, now there is a WIN-WIN situation.
I've done my best, I hope others will do to. Especially about Seraph and Sati, I dont know shit about their descent.
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Lew this is Dark Messiah. To answer your Question Neo does die but not in the way you think. remember when that little indian girl and Seraph were turned into Agent Smith? They were changed back when the program Smith was destroyed. The Same thing happened with Neo only his Matrix shell was destroyed as was the Oracles meaning that Neo's subconcious in the Matrix is still there. Just think of the Jesus story.
We know that Jesus dies for humanity and then is resurected and ascends to heaven. Its common knowledge that Neo is the embodiment of Christ within the movies. when Neo "dies" his form becomes pure energy and becomes omni-present meaning his essence is every where as is Christs. And also take into account what the Architect said at the end of reloaded. There were others before Neo. Meaning that Neo is the Reincarnation of his predessers. Their essence was brought in by Neo when he was killed by Smith in the first movie. So now that Neos essence is out, then another reincarnation is evident right? wrong.
Now that theres peace theres no reason for another "chosen one" to come into existence since Neos purpose was afterall to end the war.
As to Neos body in the real world, Im not certain as to what happened to it. maybe his body is comatose or maybe hes just dead and his residual self was imprinted into the matrix, your guess is as good as mine.
Whew...that was long. Hey man if you ever have anyother Qs just emailme at [email protected] id really like to hear from u
I have a question, but it's not really a matrix question. Why don't newbs get any respect around here? They're just as normal as you are.
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The big wuestion i really want answered is why do the machines attack Zion but let Neo talk to the oracle. Why did they make agents to stop free people but allow the oracle to speak to them. Why does the oracle want peace but the rest of the machine dont. WHY WHY WHY????
Right. Because the Oracle used to be part of the system. She'd find out who the One was, and send him off to the Architect and the Source.
There.
Easy.
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-Voltaire
"That includes ruining Halloween because someone swallowed a Bible."
"I just thought you were a guy."
"... Most guys do."
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"That includes ruining Halloween because someone swallowed a Bible."
"I just thought you were a guy."
"... Most guys do."
who in the world made that picture and why, that's my question to end all questions
I think the humans should have recalled the Machines way back when they invented them, because they are faulty. What machine thought it was a good idea to put a restart code in a human body instead of keeping it in some mainframe or some actual place. At some point in time a machine had to think of this idea and other machines had to go ".......yeah that's a great idea. That way if we ever desperately need to restart the matrix we could just have a guy try and cope with the fact that he's been living a lie, fall in love, choose to save humanity, defeat his polar opposite, and simply return it to the source........yeah." The Machines really made it harder than it needed to be. So if I had to boil this all down to a question it would obviously be why did the machines give somebody a restart code.
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