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SimplePriest
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mummble, mummble **oops. Takes foot out of his mouth** Ok you're right. *cough*


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is it possible that since being copied, that Neo is acutally killed...therefore the shaking on his Machine hook-up into the matrix?? and he is completly gone(out of it or unconcious) when he gets un-hooked and the machines take him away....death is a strong possibility here dont u think??

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Neo is not the NUMBER 1, any more than Smith is THE number –1 (just stating the obvious). The points is, that Neo and Smith are opposites, and they do cancel each other out. That’s the 1-1=0
Alternatively… When Smith (-1) infects Neo (1) the equation IS unbalanced (-1(1)=-1), allowing for the Speak-machine to use the anti-virus program.



I thought it was +1-1=0 and nothing is nothing so it is a new world coz the system isn't unbalanced anymore...

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Yes, you guys said it yourselves, the system could not get rid of Smith because the equation was balanced. Once it was unbalanced due to the Oracle, it could be tinkered with smile


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Actually Neo took the red pill the oracle gave him (candy?). With that trace program, there were no problem to localise Smith for the machine once he "jacked" Neo.

the interesting part is the "reflection" theme in that Jack/red pill sequence:
Smith is the mirror of Neo, but in Matrix 1 Neo used a real mirror for the jack/red pill sequence.

I prefer that then the négative theory, but i know i can be wrong

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Smith IS Neo's opposite though, he is HIM. Just like I said those many months ago big grin


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Yes, you guys said it yourselves, the system could not get rid of Smith because the equation was balanced. Once it was unbalanced due to the Oracle, it could be tinkered with smile

nice.


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i dont think that there is an "Anti-virus" program, thats kinda stupid. dont try and look smith and neo as number simplily as opposits and opposits attract and ( like smith and neo) and then when they come together then they are dstroyed because the are nothing (i suppose that the variable X+(-X)=0 is the correct analogy for the equation)

EVERYTHING THAT HAS A BEGINNING HAS AN END.......

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he ate too many cookies

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The 'oracle' was a rouge program. The Architect was an interface with no control over the data being transferred back and forth across the bridge. The Trainman was the DB management program. Smith was a subroutine created by the 'oracle' ("hello mother!"). The oracle was already aware of the consequences of her actions and NEO was the pattern she based the Smith program against. The AI in the programs gave them a conscience. Her conscience was that the humans were not to be used as resources against their will because her basic programming was about choice. The humans were never given a choice. Neo was plugged into the MainFrame. Once Smith aquired NEO the MAinframe once again had control over the Smith program, and deleted him. All the clones were rid of the Smith override program, including the oracle.
The only thing I dont understand is how a program gets addicted to cigarettes. And the original actor for the oracle was in the trailers and previews for part 3. Did she have last minute negotiation problems like Dozer?

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Yes, you guys said it yourselves, the system could not get rid of Smith because the equation was balanced. Once it was unbalanced due to the Oracle, it could be tinkered with smile


I don't get it. Could you rephrase that, cuz my brain is dead?


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I believe in the antivirus - but not an antivirus program persay. I think it was a bit more complicated. It was Neo and the machines working together. Neo obviously DOES have the power to do things like that in the Matrix, just look how he oiginally entered Smith and altered him. With the help of the machines perhaps he destroyed him correctly this time, he "entered" the Smith program one last time, so to speak.

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u guys, when copying something u are combining things to get one output, ur not adding positives and negatives here u are multiplying...ur not balancing the system, ur cancling things out

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And the original actor for the oracle was in the trailers and previews for part 3. Did she have last minute negotiation problems like Dozer?

What trailers? I'm unaware of any Revolutions trailers where the Oracle wasn't Mary Alice.... huh
And Dozer DIED in M1.. do you mean Tank?


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I think it comes down to matter and antimatter. Neither can exist in the same space with each other without resulting in some type of explosion/elimination. That is why Neo allowed himself to become infected by Smith. With that happening the Matrix, I would still give Neo credit for understanding this, in of itself automatically eliminated the problem. I believe it filtered down into the other Smith's because of the cloned connection they shared through similar code. Destroy the head and the body will follow.

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wait i dont get this unbalanced thing.. if the machines couldnt intervene while the system is unbalanced then why dont tehy kill neo when he approaches them, the system is then unbalanced and they can kill smith? am i missing somethin?

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Neo is man, whereas smith isn't...he has a human form, which neo kills but as a program....he is far to strong for the machines to control. therefore they need Neo to destroy what they cannot, smith already controls the matrix "like what i've done with the place", it is all his and he masters it as the "trainman" masters his domain. neo is the only thing that can stop him, thus the machines need him...

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Perhaps the machines couldn't load the coding to destory Smith into just anyone. Maybe the only machinery that they had to do it was where Neo was jacked in. Or maybe it could only be done to the anomaly. There are many possible reasons why they chose to only use Neo.


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Hello all,
First time post so take it easy on my theory.

I have read into all your theories and they are all awesome, made me think of scenarios I wouldn't have normally thought of on my own.

If you want to hack into a system or get into the code of a system, in order to get where you need to be to understand and manipulate that code one would have to ride/connect through a backdoor or frontdoor to access and delete an error or code in general.

I am throwing the idea that Neo/Smith code provided through the direct connection of Neo (and the Smith encapsulating Neo deal) was able to access and delete the anomoly. Without the addition of Smiths code to Neo's the machine or even Neo couldn't delete or manipulate the code (smith) and even to delete (multiple smiths) themselves.

In that Case Neo made (or understood) the choice to be cloned so that he can access Smith's code and put a choice to delete once their job (purpose) is complete. If he (Smith) completed his job (defeat neo) then the result is that he fulfilled his purpose.

Well it sounds good anyway. stick out tongue

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