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GangusGrievous
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for one thing, no one could hav gotten to the machine city without being blown to pieces by those bombs except for Neo. He is the only one that could hav gotten that far. Then it all comes down to the purpose of a program and a person. Smith is a virus, and a viruses purpose on this ocassion is to take up everything in its path, but there is no area for it to go unless it would be to cross worlds. That would mean that Neo is the anti-virus. His purpose is to flush out the virus. Since smith already knew a part of his denstiny, he had a little problem letting go of reality, because he knew what would happen if he took over Neo. That's why he was telling Neo "Get away from me." Neo had no reason to live also, for he had lost his love, and he didnt really care if he died or not.sad


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another thing to think about is Neo's purpose is to be a "savior", now i dont want to go religous here but there is a parallel here. in reloaded when Neo and trinity get off the elevator there are thousands of people waiting for him, he is the one..."the saviour" of the human race against the machines. Christ was the savior for man and his purpose was to die and make even for our sins...Neo did die, and it was to save mankind...the same theory. make sense??

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Yes i never thought of that.


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Originally posted by aczwild
Hello all,
First time post so take it easy on my theory.

I have read into all your theories and they are all awesome, made me think of scenarios I wouldn't have normally thought of on my own.

If you want to hack into a system or get into the code of a system, in order to get where you need to be to understand and manipulate that code one would have to ride/connect through a backdoor or frontdoor to access and delete an error or code in general.

I am throwing the idea that Neo/Smith code provided through the direct connection of Neo (and the Smith encapsulating Neo deal) was able to access and delete the anomoly. Without the addition of Smiths code to Neo's the machine or even Neo couldn't delete or manipulate the code (smith) and even to delete (multiple smiths) themselves.

In that Case Neo made (or understood) the choice to be cloned so that he can access Smith's code and put a choice to delete once their job (purpose) is complete. If he (Smith) completed his job (defeat neo) then the result is that he fulfilled his purpose.

Well it sounds good anyway. stick out tongue


Wow, really awesome first post dude... WELCOME!
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Thanks Jkozzy! roll eyes (sarcastic)

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quote:
Originally posted by skullkid02
another thing to think about is Neo's purpose is to be a "savior", now i dont want to go religous here but there is a parallel here. in reloaded when Neo and trinity get off the elevator there are thousands of people waiting for him, he is the one..."the saviour" of the human race against the machines. Christ was the savior for man and his purpose was to die and make even for our sins...Neo did die, and it was to save mankind...the same theory. make sense??


Yeah, just like JediHDM said. And now Neo has ascended and is part of the Matrix as a higher being.


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Can any of you smart ones tell me how on Earth Smith was able to copy himself and Neo could/would not?

And I do not have the ETM so can someone fill me in with the train bomb in the sense of why is time such a big deal with him?

THX in advance.


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Because Smith is a virus and Neo isn't...
and what do you mean about the train bomb?


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-The Architect AKA Larry

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SOmeone posed a good question. Why did'nt the machine LEader just Kill Neo Before making the Deal for Peace.

WIth Neo Dying in the REAL world his connection to machine city(which seems to be wireless) would have died too right?

Or are we supposed to be under the Idea that if Neo Died in the Real world then, his digital self would still be alive, just as long as his dead body's plugged in??

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Did they ever say Smith was a virus in the movie?


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aczwild> Welcome!


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If Smith and Neo are like equations, the Matrix would be totally unbalanced. Think of it.

20,000,000 Smiths (-1)=1 Neo (1)

No way does that equal out.

I thought of that last night.

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ok, well since i explained this along time ago and nobody understood, we are "multiplying" here, not adding or subtracting. all the smiths are as one unit and thus the (-) and neo is the positive (+). when smith copies Neo, he is cancling himself out by multiplying 2 negatives by themselves. that is why he dies.... (-) x (-) = (+). he cancles himself out by taking away what balanced himself out.

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xeous> thats why only ONE Smith fights Neo, cause only ONE is needed to balance the equation...


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and that means what Captainjedi??? what did u say that i didn't??

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JediHDM
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no, you didn't...they are not multiplying, or adding or subtracting, anything. it is coding being balanced. all that is needed is Smiths "inevitability" ego, being canceled by Neo's selfless sacrifice. if you look at it in math in any way, look at it as 0 * 1/0 = 1 in that, Smith is zero trying to reach infinity, and failing, whereas Neo is infinitely powerful, but unable to understand his power, canceling each other out to make 1, a better Neo that has ascended.


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so are u saying Neo is dead, if so i agree. and u have no choice but to look at it as math, the Architect says that is how everything is setup....mathematically; you have to explain it with math.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lite-x2x
Did they ever say Smith was a virus in the movie?



No, but that's what he is, a viral program.


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Question justa question here

there is a couple things i dont understand but im only gonna ask one question now .... How exactly are Neo and Smith opposites and equals.......When single handedly Neo handled about 70 or so smiths by himselves without breaking a sweat .....AND THEN AND ONLY WHEN smith takes over the oracles body does he become any where as strong as neo ...maybe (i dont like what im about to say for some reason) Even Stronger than him......Not equals untill he takes over the oracle...no expression

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He may have been stronger in Reloaded but didn't fight with full strength. Because they're opposites, it doesn't mean they're equal in strength. Their existence balanced the equation.


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-The Architect AKA Larry

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