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I allways pushed RATM past convential rock for many reasons.
A) the bassist has a much different roll in "traditional" rock, Mainly laying down the chords and backing up the guitarists. Commerfield had his own licks and was a frontline roll in the band, in somesongs, his basline was more complex than the gutar.
B) Morrello uses way too many effects to be classifyed as rock. Most rock gutarists focus more on the chords and have a different style than Morrello...
C) The Drums, while the most "rock-ish" part of RATM, his lack of tom fills push his stly mor towards Jazz or Metal than rock...
I swear there are parts in Sleep now in the fire, that are a modifyed swing beat...
D) Zack, dur...
Here's my list in no particular order, there's some metal in here but I noticed that there was plenty of metal in a lot of other people's lists so I'll point them out as best I can but I don't have the heart to take them out.
12 Stones
3 doors down
Aerosmith
Alice In Chains
Counting Crows
Creed
Foo Fighters
Green Day
Weezer
Guano Apes
Guns N' Roses
Jon Bon Jovi
Led Zeppelin
Lifehouse
Lit Metallica <---Metal Mudvayne <---Arguably Metal
Muse
Nickelback
Nine Days
Nirvana
Oasis <---MorningGlory, just for you...
Offspring
Pearl Jam
Red Hot Chilli Peppers
REM
Sting
Staind
The Beatles
The Cranberries
Travis
Vertical Horizon ILL Nino <---Arguably Metal
Deftones
Disturbed
Prodigy
36 Crazyfists
40 Below Summer A Perfect Circle <---Arguably Metal American Head Charge <---Arguably Metal Atreyu <---Metal
Beloved
Blindside
Chevelle Chimaira <---Metal
Finch
Five Point O
Godsmack Hatebreed <---Arguably Metal Hopesfall <---Arguably Metal Killswitch Engage <---Arguably Metal
Kittie
Korn
Lost Prophets
Mindless Self Indulgence <--- If you like my list but haven't heard of them then start downloading, they're as uniques as humanly possible!
Nonpoint
One Minute Silence
Otep Pantera <---Arguably Metal Poison The Well <---Arguably Metal Rammstein <---Arguably Metal
Reveille
Seether Sepultura <---Metal
Sevendust
Sinch Slipknot <---Metal
Soil Soulfly <---Metal
Spineshank
Stuck Mojo
System Of A Down
Stone Sour
Thrice Tool <---Arguably Metal
Trapt
Lifer <--- Check them out!
The Used
Matchbox Twenty
(Hed) pe
Cold
Breaking Benjamin <--- Sad to say, I never listened to them only because of their strange name, I was sure they were punkrock/Bubblegum music but they surprized me and turned out to be a good band.
Boy Hits Car <--- Same story as Breaking Benjamin...^
Finger Eleven
Saliva
Taproot Nine Inch Nails <---Arguably Metal
R.E.M.
Coldplay
The Who
Snot
Flaw
Hoobastank
Hayehudim <--- The best and only good Israeli band, check them out, you may be surprised!
There is no way I didn't forget at least one band but this is what I've got for now.
BTW about Rage being metal or not, if I had to categorize them I'd have to go with something like Rap-Core Or Rap-Metal but that would just be out of lack of options, I agree most with TP, their uncategorizable (I think I just invented a word ).
I was just trying to be "politcly correct", to spare me long arguments on how I dared clasiffy or not classify a certian band as metal.
I don't see how APC could be concidered metal either but I've heard them being called metal on numerous ocasions so I was just being safe.
Arguably metal basically meant that I think their metal but I'm not sure everyone would agree with me so I was playing it safe.
As for Industrial and hardcore, they never had clear guide lines IMO. One person says metal another hardcore and some new metal so there's no winning. I leave the decision to people like you who can point them out for what they really are and understand why (at least I think you can), so "Arguably Metal" was the easy way out for me.
If one day I find someone who can spare the time to define each and every genre for what it is and what makes it so, then I'll be glad to participate in a debate about genres but for the time being I rely on what I hear from other people.
I don't think NIN have been anywhere near as industrial on "The Fragile" as on "Pretty Hate Machine". It's much more melodically driven.
"The Downward Spiral" has industrial elements and obviously NIN bang out the occasional pure Industrial track. Metal/Industrial.
APC have much more Metal sounding guitar riffs I think. "Sleeping Beauty" is more Metal than perhaps anything Tool have ever done in terms of sound. Save for "Ticks & Leeches" here and there and "Hooker With a Penis".
i dont think there is anything other than metal that you can put Pantera in, maybe Metal sub-genres. their oldest stuff was Glam (pre Anselmo), their more recent stuffs probably Thrash if its anything.
and while Rammstein are metal, i'd almost say Industrial over metal
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Yeah, I've always said NIN are way more than industrial. However, the majority of their stuff is heavily rooted in industrial. Broken, Fixed, TDS, FDTS etc. The Fragile is just beyond genres. I'm very excited to hear what route he's taken on With Teeth, I've deliberately kept away from the little info there is about it, I want it to take me completely by suprise. Like Deftones & Tool, NIN manage to radically reinvent their sound with each new album, anything and everything could happen.
Thats true in some cases, but APC have done way too much progressive/acoustic/semi-psychadelic stuff to ever be considered a metal band surely. Most of Undertow is pretty damn metallic.
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Jan 13th, 2005 02:31 AM
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how strange.
I forgot Foo Fighters!
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