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He's more machine than man
does anyone think that vader/anakin becomes less powerfull as he becomes more machine than man...?
His mechanical parts (most of his body) don't contain any midi chlorians....
we may see anakin peak as a dark jedi first, then become a little less powerfull as a mechanical sith lord....
ok, maybe not......
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Nov 3rd, 2000 12:56 PM |
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Darth Daft
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Well that was one of the excuses as to why the lightsaber duels are slower in the OT. Because Darth Vader is mainly made of machine he can't focus the Force as much on his body and so he has slower control.
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Nov 3rd, 2000 01:58 PM |
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Either that, or the actors were just too old 
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Nov 3rd, 2000 08:28 PM |
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theEvilJedi
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That and the poor special effects of that time.{not that they were all that bad}
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Nov 4th, 2000 04:52 AM |
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Darth Daft
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I can't understand why they were so slow. I don't think it was the old age, because then they wouldn't be using Christopher Lee in Episode 2, otherwise he would make the duel in TPM look amzing compared to Episode 2, whereas they obviously want to do vice-versa.
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Nov 4th, 2000 07:01 AM |
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I think the sword fight in ANH was a minor element at the time with the explosion of the death star being the "big finale" I think the emphasis was almost more on the "elegance" of the swordsmanship, particularly on the part of Obi-Wan, being the older, distinguished "good guy" vs. bad guy Darth Vader. At the time, at least in my 14 year old mind, the action was with our heroes, trying to get back aboard the Falcon, get the droids, and get the heck out of there, all of which was accomplished by, and only by, Obi-Wan a) deactivating the tractor and b) occupying Vader's attention (and most of his troops hanging around the docking bay). By the time TPM was released, we were all salavating for not only a BIG swordfight but MORE swordfights period. Thus the ANH swordfight was a only an element in a series of events that brought us to the climax of the deathstar battle and its ultimate destruction.
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Nov 6th, 2000 06:37 AM |
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Hmmm, if Vader is supposed to be worse with old age
(in the book Shadows of the Empire he would take on like 2 or 3 of the best dueling droids at their hardest settings, custom made for him by whoever desgined them, and just totally waste them)
I can't wait to see him in action in Episode 2 (which BTW I reckon should be called "The Clone Wars")
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Nov 6th, 2000 07:02 AM |
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theEvilJedi
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Yes,but having "Wars" in the title twice doesn't sound to good.
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Nov 6th, 2000 07:53 AM |
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Darth Daft
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I agree. Also, I heard that Lucas makes his titles refer from the Dark Side and then to the Light Side. What I mean is that:
Episode 1 was called "The Phantom Menace" referring to Sidious, a member of the DARK side.
Episode 4 was called "A New Hope" referring to Luke and Leia, members of the LIGHT side.
Episode 5 was called "The Empire Strikes Back" referring to the Empire led by the Sith, members of the DARK side.
Episode 6 was called "Return of the Jedi," reffering to Luke a member of the LIGHT side.
Therefore I doubt Episode 2 would be called "The Clone Wars," as Clones are made by the bad guys, whereas the title should be pointed to the Light Side. "Fate of the Republic" or something like that.
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Nov 7th, 2000 04:51 AM |
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I agree DD, EP 2 will have a "nice" name. Something like "The Rise of a Hero" or something like that. You know the 3rd one will be call either "Fall of the a) Republic b) Jedi, or maybe Rise of the Empire or the Revenge of the Sith.
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Nov 15th, 2000 12:58 AM |
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Darth Daft
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Rise of the Empire/Sith would sound best, I think.
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Nov 15th, 2000 05:45 AM |
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A stronger, more powerful Darth Vader . . .
Darth Vader was more powerful as a cyborg versus when he was human. Think about it. Superior reflexes due to machine parts coupled with his (near) mastery of the Dark Side (in addition to being angrier than the ever). Darth Vader IS much more dangerous as a cyborg.
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Nov 15th, 2000 05:55 AM |
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Darth Daft
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Re: A stronger, more powerful Darth Vader . . .
I'm not so sure. Isn't Vader meant to be worse with his mechanical body parts? They are not really part of his body and therefore he has difficulty using the Force to control them as well as he would with his real limbs.
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Nov 15th, 2000 06:09 AM |
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A weaker Darth Vader . . .
Perhaps. I've that also.
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Nov 15th, 2000 06:44 AM |
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Darth Daft
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Re: A weaker Darth Vader . . .
And it was also Nick Gillard's excuse as to why the lightsabre duels are faster in the PT. Anakin is a strong Jedi Knight, but after his fall into the lava he looses much of his strength and power.
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Nov 16th, 2000 05:07 AM |
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Re: A weaker Darth Vader . . .
this means that anakin in Ep2 twice as strong as he is when he's vader
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Nov 16th, 2000 10:16 AM |
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Re: A weaker Darth Vader . . .
That makes for a rather scary thought. Do you think he will have
attained a level of power great than other Jedi?
His
line in ANH seems to point to him not having attained full Jedi
status when he left.
"When I left you I was but
the learner, Now I am the Master!" or something like that.
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Nov 16th, 2000 06:22 PM |
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Jedimaster3838
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Good point RC. If Anakin is the Choosen One you'd think he'd
be able to defeat Obi-Wan. Ben does say in ANH that Anakin was
a Jedi Knight, so I'm assuming that he make it, perhaps towards
the end of EP2? I guess there is something Obi-Wan does to show
Anakin why he is the master. Or maybe Anakin spares OB1 "
I still feel the good in him..." but OB1 knows what Anakin
has become and won't let him, and somehow OB1 knocks him into
the lava pit.
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Nov 16th, 2000 08:37 PM |
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That was my next point, will Anakin become a Jedi Knight, he
could still be a learner and be a knight. Just on a different
level, ie from Knight to Master.
Anther question as
well, will OB1 become a master, I know that Luke refers to him
as such but was he really a Jedi Master ot just a Jedi Knight?
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Nov 16th, 2000 11:15 PM |
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Jedimaster3838
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He's more machine than man
In the EU(I know its not cannon)it says a Jedi declares themselves
a Master when they feel they reach that "higher level"
In one of the books, I forget which one, Luke tells someone Obi-
Wan never declared himself a master because of what happened
to Anakin. The way I think it works though is if your apprentice
becomes a Knight you become a Master, based on that Obi-Wan would
become a Jedi Master.
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