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Who exactly is Palpatine? (theories welcome)
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VengeanceGOD
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No, I was referring to Vader offering Luke a place at his side after they destroy the emperor in ESB. But I'll wait and see what you're talking about.

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But remember Anakin and Vader are not the same (Vader is more powerful). Without a doubt Emp Palpy is more powerful than Ani but maybe not more powerful than Vader even though he commands him.
What vengeance meant about vader needing luke to destroy the emperor was that in ESB, vader wants luke to join him.
"We can destroy the emperor, he has forseen this, it is your destiny"

But this argument can also be contradicted since it seems to be a tradition that when a sith apprentice finds an apprentice of his own, he overthrows his master and takes his place. That's why there are always only two sith. So vader needed an apprentice before attempting to overthrow Palpy, that doesent meen he was incapable of taking him on by himself but that he wanted to insure he would have an apprentice after that.


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vader is the potential Anakin would have reached had he progressed in the proper training time of the Jedi. the dark side is just a quicker way to your ultimate power, not the only way.


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quote:
"We can destroy the emperor, he has forseen this, it is your destiny"
hmm he never said we I think this is what Vader said
"Luke. You can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is
your destiny. Join me, and we can rule the galaxy as father and son.
Come with me. It's the only way."

Guess GL had not thought of the two sith rules at this time
Even so, Vader is trying to sow a seed of conflict with a wounded and vulnerable Luke, Vader might however be tempted by this thought of having Luke by his side though.

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vader needs luke because their must always be a master and an apprentice. sidious has a hold on vader through the dark side. only when he turns back to the light can vader destroy sidious


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finti is right, it's "you can" smile

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Yeah sorry, didnt mean to do that. "You can"


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according to a twenty year old interview on the prequals at the shadow of the sith site, in an earlier draft, Beru Lars was supposed to be related to palpatine.


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with the story as we know it now, it hardly will surprise anyone that everyone in the star wars galaxy is related to eachother wink

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well it started with adam and eve

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with the story as we know it now, it hardly will surprise anyone that everyone in the star wars galaxy is related to eachother wink


Mace Windu is Lando's daddy. After all, they ARE the only two black people in Star Wars. smile

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no, there was that random pilot in ROJ who yells "she's gonna blow!" or is it "its gonna blow!". anyway, theres 3 so ha! wink big grin
unless he's related to them too....


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More than that. You forgote captain panaka and one of the endor reblel commandos that we see in the home one briefing room in ROTJ. And there's also a black guy in the bar in AOTC with two women who gazes at anakin while he's searching for zam.


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yeah, and captain Typho... but Typho is the nephew of Panaka messed

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More than that. You forgote captain panaka and one of the endor reblel commandos that we see in the home one briefing room in ROTJ. And there's also a black guy in the bar in AOTC with two women who gazes at anakin while he's searching for zam.


Isn't that guy he looks at Ahmed Best...A.K.A Jar Jar Binks??


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yes, same dude
the other cameo there is from Anthony Daniels

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Allright, my bad. There's FIVE black people in the Star Wars universe. smile

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and we probably didn't spot some others yet wink

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lol. FINE! JUST RUIN MY JOKE THEN! Sheesh. wink

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we at the KMC department don't laugh at jokes stick out tongue

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