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Chapel
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the crimson jelly bean every time.
1 - rather a harder bad truth than a easy good lie
2 - life in the free spirited future of zion, looks so "boring" compared to the mass marketed, lifestyle optioned, wage slave life of the late 20th centuary world of the matrix
3 - as a freed mind you get to join a ship crew, learn any subject in a matter of hours, hack into the matrix and break the rules and wear sunglasses and night in doors without looking like a ****, create your own simulations (like the training programs or the start of LFOTO)
4 - green mood lighting, you cant be serious!!
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Nov 26th, 2003 01:13 AM |
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mook
Senior Member
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Location: United Kingdom |
Chapel>the mass marketed, lifestyle optioned, wage slave life of the late 20th centuary world of the matrix
but as i said "what if you were freed and then given the choice of being reinserted, remembering nothing and in any walk of life you want (an actor maybe?) but you didnt have to betray your friends (like Cypher did)."
you could have the perfect life...?
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Nov 26th, 2003 04:14 PM |
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Ahnold
The Former Governator
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Location: Califohrnia |
Omega? PLEASE reply to my message! Erm, sorry if this is out of the blue - see my message on page two
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Nov 26th, 2003 08:47 PM |
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Mistique
Senior Member
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Location: UK |
I'm quite fine here in the matrix 
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Nov 26th, 2003 08:51 PM |
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Chapel
Member
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nope you could only have a simulation of a "perfect" life.
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Nov 26th, 2003 08:57 PM |
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Mistique
Senior Member
Gender: Female
Location: UK |
Chapel> if you're talkign to me, would you like to expand a bit?
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Nov 26th, 2003 08:59 PM |
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The Omega
Z10N0101
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Location: Denmark |
Mook> You’d never be a real actor. You’d be in a dream. Everything would be fake. Even if YOU do not remember, it is STILL a lie. I cannot understand how you, saying you don’t want your friends to lie to you to make your life comfortable, STILL would prefer fake fame, in a fake world, living a lie. To the truth.
It is, in my opinion, a coward's choice.
Ahnold> Well, re-post if you’re asking something, you feel you need me to answer.
And you’re supposed to know a topic may very well ALREADY’ve been opened, unless it’s something COMPLETELY out of the blue. The what would you choose, red or blue pill is, quite frankly, a very straigjht-forward topic.
Don’t tell me it comes as a COMPLETE surprise to you, that we’ve been over THIS topic a gigazillion times before. It’s SO obvious.
If you feel an URGE to post FDT threads, then fer Neo’s sake, re-open an old thread. Read through it, to see if you have ANYTHING new to contribute. There’s been some HARD feelings towards new-comers as of late here, because SOME newcomers can’t
a) read
b) be bothered to use SEARCH, or
c) check the FDT
And the reason for the “AGAIN” is very valid indeed. Perhaps the original poster realises, that there may be a need for using SEARCH or checking FDT, and I won’t have to ask the regulars to behave themselves.
Frankly, I do not understand why you think a post, in which you, peacefully, express an opinion should get you attacked or banned. Mind elaborating on that? Do you honestly think I BAN people for disagreeing with ME? Do you think I’d last as a moderator if I just randomly banned people who didn’t think the way I do????
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Nov 27th, 2003 02:23 AM |
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Ahnold
The Former Governator
Gender: Male
Location: Califohrnia |
Omega: Let me give you an example of something. I enter "Red pill" into the search engine - TEN v. long threads come up, and none of them have directly addressed this question. Thus I do not see the problem with opening a topic like this - if it has never EXPLICITLY been discussed before.
Now look - it's not a COMPLETE surprise {or even a remote surprise} that this has been discussed a lot before - but given the evidence above you can see my point.
I think the expression "behaving themselves" when applied to newbs is a tad harsh, personally. It's just a forum - they don't know how everything works, mistakes will happen, and I don't think words like "AGAIN" and "COMPLETELY" are warranted - direct them to the problem, sure, but please: those words come off, frankly, as rude and condescending!
And finally, I don't want you to think I'm moaning, I'M NOT! I just wanted to address a problem that has been on my mind ever since I got here, and didn't want my comments to appear insulting {hence resulting in a ban}
Comments much appreciated
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Nov 27th, 2003 11:03 AM |
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Lag
Senior Member
Gender: Male
Location: United States |
Just to get this part out of the way I would choose the Red pill for the uncertaint wisdom it holds. The Blue pill is just to familiar.
Now do address the living a lie thing.I don't think living in the Matrix is a lie, why would it be. You wake up, go to your job, make money to feed your kids, come home and go to sleep. Or maybe your a bum, or a millionaire, or a blue-collar, or you go to college and learn a skill to make a living doing something unique, just like our world. It's just hard to call it a lie when everything is being shown to everyone. It seems to me like it's just a different way to live.
Again I would choose the Red pill just to see where I would be taken, but I wouldn't judge the people that would stay. Think if you were presented with this, everything would factor in, family, friends, job, tradition. All these things would be going on in your mind, it would be pretty hard to decide. Besides wanting to know what else is out there I would take the Red pill, because I wouldn't want to be a cannibal. That's just gross and wrong. That would be a huge deciding factor in not taking the Blue pill.
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Nov 27th, 2003 11:45 AM |
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mook
Senior Member
Gender: Male
Location: United Kingdom |
The Omega> You’d never be a real actor. You’d be in a dream. Everything would be fake. Even if YOU do not remember, it is STILL a lie. I cannot understand how you, saying you don’t want your friends to lie to you to make your life comfortable, STILL would prefer fake fame, in a fake world, living a lie. To the truth.
It is, in my opinion, a coward's choice.
perhaps it is - but i wouldnt know!
to me it would be completely real and perfect life.
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Nov 27th, 2003 02:36 PM |
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Agent Elrond
The Curse is gone
Gender: Male
Location: A Boston fan in NY |
I would rather eat worms (which would not be real) than live in a fake world. As I said before, I would want to leave the Machine system and jack back in and not be a battery.
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Nov 27th, 2003 02:52 PM |
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The Omega
Z10N0101
Gender: Female
Location: Denmark |
Ahnold> I’m aware the search feature leaves something to be desired. But if you think red/blue pill choice, try searching for “choose”. There’s the 121 post long “Would you want to leave the Matrix?” http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...ighlight=choose
It has – explicitly – and with the exact content, indeed been discussed before. I do see what you mean, but you must also see it from the moderators point of view. As I explained, there has been bad feelings towards newcomers, because they open a thread that we’ve been over countless times – And some newcomers feeling left out, because NO ONE replies to their threads. It’s my job to make this place enjoyable to all – hence the reason I told the original poster that this was INDEED an old topic.
I’m not saying anywhere that newcomers must “behave themselves”.
I’m simply telling you what HAPPENS around here. The regulars get tired and start making fun of newbies, who, in turn, get angry. Why do you think the FDT was made in the first place? “Again” and “completely” are just the facts. If I wanted to be rude and condescending you wouldn’t be in doubt. Trust me 
You don’t – in no way –insult me. I’ve seen you in other threads, asking for better behaviour towards newcomers. You simply have to see it from both sides of the trench (if you like). I think in my time as moderator I’ve had one person banned here, for gross flaming, insults and general idiocy towards others.
Lag> The point is, that whether or not YOU – personally – know it, you would still be living on a lie, IF you live in the Matrix. It doesn’t cease to be a lie, because of your ignorance. Facts are nor subjective. I do see what you mean, but it is NOT a different way of living. It IS living on a lie. For those not offered a choice (red/blue pill) you can say, that they’re excused, since they don’t KNOW better.
But their lives remain a lie. It’s not judging. It’s merely what IT is.
Mook> Which brings me back to my original question again. You say being reinserted would, to you, be real and perfect. Because you do not know. How can you say this, and then at the same time tell me, that you prefer people to tell you the harsh truth to a comfortable lie?
WHY someone would even consider the blue pill/reinsertition is truly baking my noodle.
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Nov 27th, 2003 05:17 PM |
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super pr*xy
Senior Member
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Location: Daily Planet |
i would definitely wanna get jacked out of the matrix... red pill, RED PILL... yes, living in the real world would be hard, but i'm sure there are programs created for leisure... like playing golf, or basketball, or whatever... plus i can kick major a$$... i wouldn't wanna be a battery forever... and i definitely do not wanna be a virgin forever... remember, anything that happened within the matrix was only in the mind... how would i know that sex really felt that way  ... it was the machines telling that it was like that, not me... anyways, RED PILL all the way...
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Nov 30th, 2003 04:33 AM |
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Ahnold
The Former Governator
Gender: Male
Location: Califohrnia |
Omega - thanks for your reply. I agree with everything you said - I guess I just hadn't looked at things from that POV before. Congratulations on a bang up job as mod, btw!
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Nov 30th, 2003 02:04 PM |
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JediHDM
Jedi of the Matrix
 Gender: Male
Location: United States |
i cannot believe that this is even a question...i cannot understand why someone would rather live in a lie, a prison, if you will, when you can be free...even if that freedom comes with a price. the EASY way out is to take the blue pill, which should probably explain to me right there why people would choose it rather than the red pill...people would rather live in comfort and luxury than work for a living...i don't understand...
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Nov 30th, 2003 04:49 PM |
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S_D_J
Bane
 Gender: Male
Location: Coming to Gotham |
some ppl (would) think that's easy to live in a lie, then live in a place where you may get killed the day after you're reborn. It is a comfortable lie but it's not a luxury. It's the real world for those who don't know the truth, it's life, and they work for it (at least that's what they think) so it is REAL, for them.... If for some reason, the truth is presented to them, they won't believe it, their minds are trapped in the matrix, they simply won't accept the truth.
And if they chose the red pill, they would see the truth, and that won't be so pleasant, some will want to be reinserted if they could (if it's possible cuz i don't think it was ever done).
would you leave everything you know, your whole lifestyle, your friends and family for the truth?... i know i would but some ppl wouldn't?
that's what the first matrix asked us: is this world real?... and that's why i love it
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Nov 30th, 2003 10:56 PM |
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Sifer
 Gender: Unspecified
Location: United Kingdom |
I would live in both worlds. Simple answer. You have the choice to believe whatever you want to believe. I think you missed a point of the movies Omega - It's one of the fundamental reasons Sati asks "Why did you leave?"
It ISN'T a lie at all either because rememeber, EVERYONE connected to the Matrix has a choice. Another major point brought into the light at the end of Reloaded. And don't even try to bring up "But it's a lie because it isn't real" etc cause I will say the following.
"What is real? How do you define Real?" 
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Dec 1st, 2003 12:48 AM |
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JediHDM
Jedi of the Matrix
Gender: Male
Location: United States |
it IS a lie, because the people are not given the choice we ourselves are now debating...the people are not asked, before they are put into the Matrix, whether they want to go into the matrix or want to live in the real world. The people in the Matrix are lied to, whether they accept the truth or not. And the Matrix is NOT real, it may SEEM real, but we all know appearances can be deceiving...
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Dec 1st, 2003 01:40 AM |
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mailedbypostman
I'm just a messenger.
 Gender: Male
Location: Burning in oblivion |
Red pill. I just wouldn't like being lied to.This goes back to the ancient arguement,"Ignorance is Bliss.We can argue forever on this.
*80 years later.*
"Red pill shows you the truth!"
"Easy life in the matrix is best!"
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Dec 1st, 2003 03:36 AM |
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Lag
Senior Member
Gender: Male
Location: United States |
What if you were born into poverty in the Matrix and evrything sucked for you and everything almost kills you daily, including desease. Then choosing the red pill would be cowardly.
I don't kow what my point is, but think about it.
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Dec 1st, 2003 09:46 AM |
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