Same old? did you read your own posts? Because there arent any new stuff in it. Same mike patton and faith not more stuff, same beattle mania, same sales doesnt mean quality , etc.
And dont be wrong again, im not a fundamentalist, i reconigze a good and fair argument when i see it, but that isnt your case for the moment.
__________________ The beatles, best group ever.
John Lennon, Musical genius of all time
Helen Mirren and Julie Christie , most lovely british actresses of all time.
The difference is that Kid Kurdy actually listens to music, like...other bands besides The Beatles, and regardless of disagreements; Can for a coherent argument that doesn't look like someone attacked their keyboard with a logic and literacy scrambling hammer.
Dont be ridiculous, you dont know anything about me and you are doing ridiculous guessings about what i heard and what i dont heard. For your information, i heard several groups beasides the beatles, a list too long go post here. The difference is that the beatles are my favourite group and i talk about them more than the rest. But i love people like queen, rolling stones, david bowie, doors, bob dylan,elton john, and a long etc.
And not, im only posting arguments, i dont care a shit if someone thinks that the beatles are shit, his opinion, nothing more. I only try to discuss those arguments, nothing personal.
__________________ The beatles, best group ever.
John Lennon, Musical genius of all time
Helen Mirren and Julie Christie , most lovely british actresses of all time.
So it's opinion when someone harbours an opinion of The Beatles that you disagree with, but it's somehow a fact to you that they're the best and most influential band ever?
Great band, I loved them. Like most people, I only own "Angel Dust" and a few songs here and there, mostly the classics such as "Epic" (poor fish), "Digging the grave" (awesome song) and "We care a lot."
Mike Patton has one of the best voices in the pop/rock music, and I always liked his I do what I want attitude. He's the pop/rock equivalent of John Zorn or, in a way, Tom Waits.
I saw them once, and the intro music was The Final Countdown lol. And the way they appeared on the stage was hilarious. Good fun.
Now that I think of it, it was at a rock festival, and I was also blown away by Sugar (a screaming Bob Mould is always a joy to the ears). Even the Levellers were okay.
I'm drifting. FnM being influential ? Not really.
Hmmm... you'll probably hate this reply, but still : are these bands of yours the kind of bands who have like 3 singles, a small hit in Alaska and a questionable manager ?
With all due respect for those bands - I mean that - but well, you know, I value the opinion of experienced musicians a lot more than what's the name of that band again ?
Beatlemania
Of course, that was just a bunch of screaming teenagers. But that was only the first half of their career. The second half - the interesting half - they start earning respect with writing amazing songs.
When I talk about the Beatles, I always talk about the Studio Beatles. Before that, they wrote a lot of crap songs too. They even admitted it themselves.
Closing comments
Nothing special, I just thought of the Zappa satire "Only in it for the money"... that's actually a great album, full of original and catchy tunes.
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This has been downloaded 40 time(s).
__________________ The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
As always, when you are empty of arguments go on insults. I wont play that game.
But about the first part of your post, if someone says" i dont like the beatles. i dont like their music" its pretty reasonable for me, a matter of taste. But being the most influential band is a fact, the best one is my own personal opinion because i think it.
__________________ The beatles, best group ever.
John Lennon, Musical genius of all time
Helen Mirren and Julie Christie , most lovely british actresses of all time.
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Greats points. When centauri is talking about his grandfather being a beatle fan and taking about to being only a mania, he was talking clearly about the first part of their career, the tennagge group era, when they did good songs but not so deep and significant and inluential as they did in their studio days.
__________________ The beatles, best group ever.
John Lennon, Musical genius of all time
Helen Mirren and Julie Christie , most lovely british actresses of all time.
__________________ The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
Probably need to rethink that, but it's a minor detail.
We Care a Lot wasn't with Patton, it was with Chuck Mosley. Faith No More aren't a band you should listen to sporadically either, so that's not looking good for you. You don't appear to know much of the man you're discussing.
*Any music.
The only thing I disagree with is saying he's the equivalent of anyone. I don't think he has an equal as far as one man's mind goes.
Any time soon will do...
Continue...
You were doing well Mr. I own a single album and a few songs.
Not particularly.
Interesting, and I'll counter that point soon.
Respect from who? Established musicians more so, right? The ones you prefer? Not the mass mainstream?
This is providing most interesting.
I'm going on vacation on Dec 27th, please get to the point before then.
You prefer the comments of established musicians? Then why say "Yesterday has been covered 3000 times."? You think those were 3000 mega established bands? Answer: No. So that contradicts what you said, and furthermore, being "established" means nothing. The Killers are "established", yet Brandon Flowers thinks he has the right to tell Thom Yorke about songwriting.
So in that post we've seen a bunch of nothing but roundabout comments and someone who barely has any knowledge of FNM and Patton enough to comment on him or therefore, his influence.
How can you say FNM or Patton are not influential if you barely know what to listen for? Case closed. You know Angel Dust and a few other songs, and you're attempting to judge a man who has a back catalogue of around 30 albums with multiple bands in multiple genres, who each influence many other bands and so forth.
Listen to more music then return to the debate.
Now you're resorting to simply spewing out other people's posts? Do your own debating or leave.
That’s good enough for me. I think you’ve forgotten that this is a Beatles thread, not a FnM band, and that I never said or insinuated that I’m a FnM expert.
I’m not discussing Mike Patton. I only said something nice about FnM. Earth to AC : Beatles Thread !
From me. From established musicians I like. From established musicians I don’t like. Satisfied ?
Learn to read : I said I OWN Angel Dust and a few other songs.
Probably a Mike Patton convention.
__________________ The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
So out of that, you answered how many of my questions?
None, instead you proved that like any other fan of The Beatles, you turn into a cowardly biased crab when confronted with a significant opposing opinion. My point is proven.
Beatles thread? Yes, but this discussion of influential bands was happening before I got here. Unless we're only allowed to discuss The Beatles when influence is involved.
Oh, and don't feel left out of the Mike Patton convention. I've actually been to Liverpool, I bet you're kicking yourself now.
I think I covered them all. If I forgot a question, my apologies, but you complain about my posts being too long, but Tolkien himself could learn a thing or two from you.
If I only would have a clue what your point is... besides acting like a wise guy.
No I won't. And give my regards to the other three guests.
Liverpool ? My God, who gives a hoot about Liverpool ?
I'd rather go to Nashville, and I'm definitely not the biggest country fan that walked the Earth.
Liverpool lol. I hear they have a nice soccer team there. Good for them. But still, Liverpool
__________________ The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
You can post all you like if it's relevant, which it barely ever is.
I think that's the problem, you don't grasp points. I'll reiterate though: You're more than happy to debate with Bardock who isn't the best at getting points across, but when someone actually does take the time to civilly challenge your debate, you end up resorting to snide remarks that are lost in a post full of irrelevancy, which is a shame, because as I mentioned; You're the one person I can actually stand debating this with.
I'm sure you spend enough time buried inside McCartney, Starr and Lennon without me having to give them your regards myself.
Lennon & McCartney were - of course - great song writers. But not the best. Not in my opinion anyway. But I guess they can hang with the best.
Leave Harrison out of it. He was a good chap who wrote some fine tunes, but nothing more.
__________________ The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
I think it's for the best that we don't debate anymore in this thread, and if we do, we should debate other things than "Beatles influence" because you know it'll end in insulting and bashing (and in my case, a lot of crying).
With kindest regards.
KK
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