1. I have notice that I'm not the only one that has problems with this film. and this thread has given ppl a opportunity to say their problems with out being flamed, cause everyone is flaming me.
2. Attention, well of course. I wanted to draw attetion to the problems I saw. and i LOVE driving you types crazy,
3. Titanic was a movie critics and ppl loved. I can see some similarities between the two movies.
4. I think i have done a very good job backing my side up. Opinions can only be backed up with opinions.
I personally thought the latter half of the film was rushed, Sauron's army was defeated.... oh look Aragorn quickly accepts being King and he and the survivors march onto the Black Gates. Where really was the 'Last Council'?
Frodo and Sam kinda got into Mordor and before long were at Mount Doom.... however after saying that I still loved the film, I thought it was amazing and I know that the Extended version will contain some things to make the story more fluid and less jumpy towards the end.
The making of the Silmarillion would be tough though because it covers such a time span and alot of stories to be done, it's possible but it'll be tough.
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Yeah I'd love to hear the music of Howard Shore again.
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Re: *SPOILERS*ROTK,a very disappointing end to what could have been the best trilogy ever
I love how you pretend to know what you're talking about, when really I doubt you've even read the freaking book.
Gamling? You've mistaken Gimli for Gamling? You've mistaken one of the members of the Fellowship who has been in the all the three books to a soldier of Rohan? I refuse to believe it's just a typo. Too big to be a typo. As someone who "have read the book", this mistake is pretty unforgivable, moreso of how you don't even know how to spell "Saruman" when really you can even see how it's supposed to be spelled "if you really read the book"
Dangit, you're even asking if you've spelled Rohan and Gondor right? tsk, tsk, I don't know if I have to laugh or pity you. I thought you've read the book?
Back to your rant, you're saying that most of the story was focused on King Theoden, Eowyn, Lord Denethor and Faramir? OK, I guess we didn't spend our time in Paths of the Dead, in Frodo and Sam's struggle to destroy the Ring, to Pippin and Gandalf, and God knows what else? We saw Aragorn and Elrond talking about Aragorn's kingship in the camp scene, we saw him pass through the Paths of the Dead, we saw his situation with Arwen, and we saw him being crowned at the end, what else do you want?
It was shown in the film actually, when Sam rescued Frodo from an orc, Frodo said the Ring was taken but Sam said he has it, then when Frodo was asking Sam to give it to him, Sam had some reluctance and had a little bit of "mmyyy prreeeccciioouusss" moment.
Again, during the Battle at the Pelennor Fields, Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli were still on their way coming from the Paths of the Dead, so it's impossible to do what you are asking for, for them to be in the battle already. This exact situation was also straight out from the book. The King of Men, the Elf, the Dwarf, with the Army of the Dead just arrived at the last minute of the Battle. If you've really read it, this wouldn't even be an issue to you.
uuhhh...ok. So Prince William will be crowned today and all he's wearing is his torn and dirty pajamas. Picture it.
Of course he's a king, you can't expect him to be crowned wearing his torn-out, dirty ranger outfit.
And just because he has the perfect hair, clothes and everything when he was crowned doesn't mean that he'd already forgot who and what he was.
No, that will please "just you" and not everyone that have watched it. Cutting it to be much shorter wouldn't help you either because you will just complain about the same exact things you have complained about above.
We don’t need to know how
Yes, we do. Gollum was majorly introduced in "The Two Towers" and a lot of people already cares about his character. A lot of people roots for him and it was a perfect decision to include his history in "The Return of the King" since he was introduced in the second movie. Nobody will ever care about his history if you included it in the first movie since the average-movie goers doesn't know crap about who he is other than he was the Ring-bearer before Bilbo.
It's called character development. It's in the book, why not in the movie? And that conflict is one of the elements that make them as a character.
But why? Why is he weak? Why doesn't he want to give up his throne? You can't just insert these facts in the movie without any backstory. And to tell you, Denethor and Faramir's father and son conflict made up one of the most moving scenes in the movie.
Mountainside? 100% of the audience in my theater utter some shit stuff when the screen faded out with that scene, they thought it was over, and I heard a big sigh of relief when the screen resumed and the audience realized it wasn't over yet. You can't freakin' end the almost 12 hour movie in a mountainside. "Everyone" (except you apparently) will feel cheated.
It didn't need to be rescued, or saved. This movie is a cinema classic, and one of the best movies ever made in cinematic history. That's a FACT. For my opinion on the other hand, it IS the best. So what you're saying "I don’t think this movie could have been saved" doesn't make any sense at all.
As a harcore fan who have really read LOTR books and other books related to Middle-earth, I'm sorry for you too. Really. You're in the very small minority who didn't enjoy the movie.
Maybe you were just tired, or dizzy or something when you first saw it? Try again though.
Oh, well. It's your taste and insight about the movie. Whatever.
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The Movie was awesome.. it was well written, and never had a down point... it was always haveing a mini Climax.. the Actors were awesome.. and it was unexplicably good!
Re: Re: *SPOILERS*ROTK,a very disappointing end to what could have been the best trilogy ever
I dont know if I got a bashing, cause there still very big flaws in the movie. and more and more ppl are seeing the flwas now
As for
I have read them, an like i said before I loved them and still do.
Well yourr absolutely wrong again. and if you took the time to read all the post, i went to imbd.com and copied and past the wrong name. I couldnt spell half the names in the books if you put a gun to my head.
But this is the first point u seem to want to talk about so this is your biggest problem I guess.
I want to follow the three main characters from the end of the first and all of the TT. It was his decision to put such a huge focus on the three. Than he chose not to make them the main focus in the third and that was the real problem with the third, no focus or imo spending to much time on the characters that were not introduced enough.
Ok I really dont know what you your trying to say here but my problem is not showing Sam had the ring sooner. Before the orcs took Frodo away. Suspense vs Surprise.
So reread and than will talk.
Your right. But climatically it sucked. and thats always been my problem not story but as you ppl call him "PJ"'s choices. There need to show more conflict there other wise imo it was way to fast at the end.
Bad example. But if Prince William was poor and than looked that than i think ppl would see it my way.
Its kinda like Jason Gambi with a clean face, short hair and suit when he signed for the Yankees. Sell out.
Disagree, should of spent more time on Isingard(sp?)
Exactly thats why it would of worked better in TT, imo.
Agree, but thats what he did. He gave no backstory on the Steward and than pop him in there in the third movie with the conflict with his son. EE does not count for his back story.
Maybe they would feel cheated but i think it would worked better. What would worked best would be to cut it when everyone was kneeling for the Hobbits.
That fade out for no reason will go down in history imo as one of the worst things to ever be done in film.
Time will tell if its a Cinema classic. But I can think of 10 films that were made better than this one and had a bigger influece in film than this one.
Its not Citizen Kane, bud.
Im just as big of a fan as you and there aint a dam thing you can do about it. And it kills you inside.
Wow, JohnMatrix...you really are full of yourself....
Assuming that 3/4 of the replies on this thread are mostly disagreeing with you, how many other people would disagree with you on your 'version' of the movie? Oh I estimate about 12,000,000 billion....maybe more....
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Re: Re: Re: *SPOILERS*ROTK,a very disappointing end to what could have been the best trilogy ever
JohnMatrix I want to follow the three main characters from the end of the first and all of the TT. It was his decision to put such a huge focus on the three. Than he chose not to make them the main focus in the third and that was the real problem with the third, no focus or imo spending to much time on the characters that were not introduced enough.
first, the 'three main characters' : where do you get it from??? You always seem to forget the 4 Hobbits and Gandalf, how is you trinity (AL&G) more important than them (F S M P & G)?? second, it was not PJ's decision to not make them the main focus in RotK, he just follows the books. In FotR and especially in TT, AL&G are more apparent than in RotK, so why should PJ change that, just because of you thinking it is more cinematic correct (which is b*****t imo) ? No, because that change would be too big and utterly wrong!
JohnMatrix Sam .. ring sooner.. Suspense vs Surprise.. So reread and than will talk.
You do realise this is just an opinion (Suspense vs Surprise), so no need for rereading the book for us, that has nothing to do with your point.
JohnMatrix always been my problem not story but as you ppl call him "PJ"'s choices.
AL&G not very present at Pellenor fields IS in the book, it IS story and it IS NOT pj's choices
JohnMatrix Bad example. Prince William ...
Not only Aragorn was dressed up, Everybody (even the people I guess) was dressed up, so why wouldn't Aragorn be. Your point doesn't make sense.
JohnMatrix Disagree, should of spent more time on Isingard(sp?)
isEngard
Gollum scene is, you know what I think about that, so I say no more ..
and you never listen to my arguments (you don't try to reason them)
JohnMatrix Exactly thats why it would of worked better in TT, imo.
If I understand you right, your point with Denethor is, "If we don't get to see the whole story behind the relation Denethor/Boromir/Faramir (scene in TT:EE, which the big public did not see), and why Denethor is so crazy (probably a scene in RotK:EE -> palantir?? - hope so), it is kinda confusing for the big public to understand who Denethor is. And that's for you a reason to not eleborate the relation Faramir/Denethor, because it's only more confusing ?"
There is a point to that, and then I can understand it, but I read the books, I watched TT:EE, so for me there's no problem
JohnMatrix Maybe they would feel cheated but i think it would worked better. What would worked best would be to cut it when everyone was kneeling for the Hobbits.
Just your opinion, we can argue for days, this wouldn't stop. I like it that PJ followed the book in the ending (despite a cut which was necesarry, otherwise there would be an anti-climax). It gives people a reason to read the books, it makes them think, there's more to this story than just these 3 films
JohnMatrix That fade out for no reason will go down in history imo as one of the worst things to ever be done in film.
All the fade outs had imo the same reason, to end one of the stories of the triology
1) the story of the ring ended
2) the story of Aragorn ended
left out : the end of Saruman
3) the story of Frodo (and Gandalf) ended
4) the story of Sam ended
Just like the last chapters of the book.
JohnMatrix Im just as big of a fan as you and there aint a dam thing you can do about it. And it kills you inside.
Dont cry in your Wheaties about.
It's not about who is the biggest fan, who are we ? Childeren. And I couldn't care less. And don't get too personal, please ?
Greetz,
side note :
I had to say alot 'just like in the books' in my replies to you, so I can understand (and maybe you can too) why people are questioning if you ever read the book. Some of your socalled cuts that need to be made would twist the storyline of the book so much, it wouldn't be an adaptation from the book, but a fanfiction thing of PJ
side note n°2 : again a long post, hopefully well organised
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