First on the list: Clockwork you kick sooooo much ass it aint funny, way to counter me.
I think you make a great point here. Cuts would make a difference in Story adaptation, But I wouldnt mind things being cut from the movie because i feel it would of flowed better. I would loved to have seen the Steward/son thing cut and Falfarmir(sp?) and niece of the king of Rohan love story. or how about have both that might have saved the Steward/son conflict for me. Cause than you see why those to get together, both never looked at as = in there elders eyes.
I disagree, what if in FOTR or TT we saw that Flash back. I am fan suspense. We would have known from the moment that Golum hooked up with Frodo he wanted to kill him and not only wanted to, knew he could take it to the next step.
Dont cut him you cant. Cut the conflict with his son, cause there is not enough background in the movies to truly understand the problems there.
For me its all about that fade on the mountain, and i understand and respect why you like it. But for me it just took me out of the movie. I said to my self why did he do that?
About the Hollywood film I also disagree. This is about as Hollywood as you get. Close to a 400 million budget. Two DVD releases on each movie. In fact only Hollywood could make this movie.
Well what i was trying to express was that the film could have been cut to what the others were so if the others were cut to 3hrs this one could of been and should of been.
I totally agree on the EE. The EE rock! But I feel you cant have singing if it was not in the theatrical relases. It does not count if it was just in the EE. Thats not fair to those ppl that didnt put out the 30 bones to get the EE's.
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I tought the end was GREAT, there is one thing thu, when they all arrive in Minas Tirith after the battle at the black gate, it would have been great if we that exact line that boromir said in Lothlorien about The White Tower, and that one day their paths should lead them there, I think that would have been great
Was that statement aimed toward me because I wasn't really complaining. I was stating the things that made me feel a little bad about the movie. It's just that since this is the end of the trilogy, I thought it would be a "perfect" movie, but there is no such thing. Making a movie just like the book has probably never been done, and may never be. Anyway, I change my rating from 4 out of 5 to 4.5 out of 5.
*rolls on floor laughing my a$$ off* Wow, you're real smart aren't ya? Who the hell cares about your stupid ranking? Oh yeah, I gave FotR a 1 out of 10, and would anyone care?? Nooooooo.
We're well aware that the movie is called - The Return of the King, and you're saying that PJ should've focused more on Aragorn!?! You might as well critisize the Tolkien books and came out with no agreement. If PJ did what you wanted to do then it wouldn't be Tolkien's story! It would be like a fanfic and might I add that you should write fanfiction, and maybe you're actually get compliments.
Theoden is an important character to the books and so is Eowyn. Not one thing was specifically centered around in RotK, and I'm sorry if your meaningless thread didn't pay you any good. And might I add that Aragorn was never been crowned king before, so why would he 'come back'?
So what 'struggle' are you speaking of? Aragorn never wanted to be king but his native people needed his aid and so Aragorn faced his fear and became king.
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movie is movie. book is book. it is totally y diff.
y don't you think ur so lucky to see all the chacrector ujump out of your imagination. i all my life i've never seen any movies which 're adepted from book is toally as same as the book said.even the God FAther. you've to think that we live in such a commercial worlsd, everything dpends on money. if you wantto see everything from the book in the movie just close your eyes and dream. and it's going to take you a few more months to see that in the teather.
i think PJ was right to make it this way. ithink he is one of the best director to make such a huige film huge production anf ofcoz he earned a lot of money too. any way you should think that JRR didn't write LOTR movie script at that time ,he wrote the book. but PJ did.
however why they don't have all the trailer scene in the movie that's all
nice points man, im wit u on all ur opinions, but they really had no time to depict all that stuff, n the opening scene was pointless imo, they shoulda showed it in the 2nd one instead, but yea, the book is just 2 friggin' long...
i don't think it was completely pointless, the audience that hadn't read the books didn't understand how gollum/smeagol got the ring. Now they did. I thought it was okay... I could have done without, but they had to start with something...
The Omega Clockwork> Yes, I saw that some people flamed very… hrm… harshly. I do not, hence there is no reason for Matrixjohn to take things personal when I write them. And you telling ME to shut up is as polite as… ? How about you organise your replies instead of writing three quite confusing and very long posts?
Clockwork either you try to (politely) discuss with him to tell him otherwise, or you just shut up!
YOU try to discuss politely so no need for you to 'shut up', didn't make myself quite clear on that, my mistake (it was ment to be a general observation)
And for the confusing posts, I really tried to make it not confusing .. sorry for that ... it was indeed a lot but hey, I'll just say nothing next time ... not
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JohnMatrix I disagree, what if in FOTR or TT we saw that Flash back. I am fan suspense. We would have known from the moment that Golum hooked up with Frodo he wanted to kill him and not only wanted to, knew he could take it to the next step.
The link 'Smeagol killing Deagol for the ring'<->'Gollum intention to kill Frodo and Sam' would be lost. That 'suspense' would be gone/not so present in RotK. I think PJ moved the flash back to RotK, because of that, and I think it's cinematic a very good decision.
And Gollum didn't want to kill Frodo from the beginning, only after his socalled betray at the water in TT ('betray' in order of Faramir), actually he decides to kill them in the extended edition, when they leave Osgilliath, also shown in the beginning of RotK
JohnMatrix I totally agree on the EE. The EE rock! But I feel you cant have singing if it was not in the theatrical relases. It does not count if it was just in the EE. Thats not fair to those ppl that didnt put out the 30 bones to get the EE's.
this is a good point, not concerning the singing, but it relates to this:
people who didn't see LotR:TT:EE did not see the flash back with Boromir, Faramir and Denethor, and because of that, the relation between Faramir and Denethor comes out of the blue in RotK.
And maybe it would be better to move the following scenes to the extended edition:
* in depth relation Faramir-Denthor
* Faramir coming back hanging next to his horse
* Faramir and Eowyn together at the end (Aragorn becoming King)
It are very confusing scenes for them who didn't watch LotR:TT:EE or who didn't read the books.
Besides that, everything was PERFECT
Last edited by Clockwork on Dec 21st, 2003 at 01:29 PM
if everything from the book was put in!!! good god man, your legs would go numb and youd be lucky if you could remember how too walk, dont get me wrong i love the books, but that film was 3 and a half hours (4 including trailers) so if EVERYTHING was put in, it would go well into 5, maybe 6 hours, now i wouldnt complain, but there was this woman behing me started talking ON HER PHONE 3 hours into the film, got very aggitated and shouted at her, got a round of applause
Julie> No, she didn’t in the books. [SPOILER - highlight to read]: She's taken to the Houses of Healing, where she meets the wounded Faramir, and the two of them fall in love
Clockwork> Ah, no problem then. If confused and having a lot on your mind to discuss, try writing it in Word or Notepad and organise it afterwards.
Sauron> Seeing as ee will be almost 5 hours long, you’re right. Even with a break in the middle of RotK it is a VERY long time to sit in a cinema.
Matrixjohn> I’m waiting.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. BUT... When a single person starts critizising a movie that the audience love and the critics adore, I can't help asking myself if that person isn't just trying to get attention. Especially when the criticism can't be backed up by anything.
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Lotr is the best, that's all, no need for an explanation.
