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I'd just love it if the midi-theory of the Jedi turned out to be a hoax. There must be some reason why OB1 and Yoda gave up on the prophecy-thing in the OT. If the midi's were not the explanation of Force-sensitivity, then there would be no chosen one. And yet there is... it takes Luke to draw him out. (Although I still believe Luke suits the role of chosen one much better)
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That's because we've only seen the OT and just one of the prequels, in which Anakin is only a little boy. I'm sure that during the course of the next two films our view of Anakin will change a great deal and he will indeed seem like the Chosen One.
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I don't know. We've already seen him in four out of six movies and Luke only three out of six.
The thing is, Luke is the first one to turn from the dark side. He uses his anger to defeat Vader, gets praised for it by Palpy and almost gets killed for it. Only then Vader turns, moved by his son's love for him.
Also it would make a great dramatic turn of events, when the one everyone believed to be the Chosen One turned out not to be him. Everyone stops believing in the prophecy, then Luke comes along and destroys the Empire. And I know that it was actually Vader who killed the Emperor, but without Luke's great example he would never have done that.
I know it won't happen, because Lucas said Anakin was the Chosen One, but I just like this scenario better.
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I don't think we can really say that Luke was turned from the dark side...it's more like he was almost turned and then pulled back..IMO..
And I have never thought that Luke was the Chosen One...other than flirting with the dark side...what is really so extraordinary about him..really?
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Wow Dim!Love the sig.Will you please e-mail me the different types of sabers?
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What is so special about Luke?
Well, lets just see, he happens to be the Greatest Jedi of all time. He is able to face down Palpatine and Vader and not die, no others could do that. I know he doesn't kill the Emperor but I think if he would have kept he Lightsaber he could have, but thats besides the point. He senses the goodness in Vader when even Yoda and OB1 couldn't do that. He becomes a Jedi in about 2 weeks, others need years. He is able to resist the very heart of the Darkside in the face of two of the most powerful Sith Lords ever. He is raised on Tatooine, thats an accomplishment all in its own. I know, I know, you don't like using the EU, but he I am pretty sure that even in EP7,8,9 he would have rebuilt the Jedi order single handly. Not to mention that he just kicks some major butt. Sorry, about all that, but Luke is my all time favorite character. Oh wait, I almost forgot, he blew up the Death Star as well.
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I agree, JediMaster.
And I do believe it's a bit more than flirting with the dark side. He USES his anger to destroy Vader. Something like that probably made Vader turn, realising the power of the Dark Side.
Now remember that line from Yoda (which is the clue to my preference of Luke being the Chosen One): "Once you start down the Dark Path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan's apprentice."
Now, Luke DID start down the Dark Path in ROTJ when he defeated Vader and yet he managed to turn back. And then Vader followed his example.
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Yes good point, Queeq. Perhaps this shows us that there need not be a chosen ONE. A chosen TWO perhaps? Or maybe, because Vader escapes his destiny by turning to the Dark Side it means he is no longer the Chosen One Luke takes his place. I know that the Chosen One isn't a title that can be swapped around to other people or anything, it is just a name for THE greatest Jedi there ever was. But still, both Anakin AND Luke have there own reasons why they could both be considered the Chosen One. We'll find out more in Ep 2 and 3.
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Well, of course there is ONE chosen one, because ONE should bring balance to the Force. In pure, cold fact Vader brings that balance by dropping Palpy down the chute, but it cuold never have happened without Luke. So who is the true hero. IMHO it is Luke.
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I agree queeq, Anakin may fill the prophecy but his destiny was fulfilled by his son. Anakin kills Palpy and that brings the balance but Luke is the one who gives Anakin the strength to kill him. Without Luke the galaxy would have fallen into complete darkness, because without the push from Luke Anakin would have become completely wrapped up in the darkside of the Force. I know that Leia was also a Skywalker but had Luke died, who could have taught her?
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Filling vs. fulfilling the prophecy. That is really a good one, JediMaster3838.
And I agree about Leia. She didn't even realise she had the powers Luke and Anakin had. Guess she was not very sensitive to the Force.
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Something tells me Lucas may never tell us who the Chosen One actually is out of Anakin and Luke. It would be good if he just left it to us to decide.
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Nov 7th, 2000 05:11 AM |
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He already did. In several interviews, but maybe he will not stress it like that in the movies and leave it a little in the middle.
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Luke, The Greatest Jedi of all time??? Who in the world said that...He wasn't an exceptional Jedi...he barely knew what he needed to when he faced Vader and Palpatine..Now, I'm not saying that the kid didn't have potential to become an exceptional jedi...but I think that it's too much to assume that Luke was anything near that...I do think he was a hero..but that's a different matter.
And noone else can fullfill your destiny...
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They can if Lucas says so...
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Re: .
Which Lucas hasn't, just for the record.
Lucas has staed that this si the story of a little boy who grew up, becamse corrupted by greed and power and was then redeemed. That's Anakin.
"He is the chosen one, why can't you see it" to paraphrase a now dead Jedi master.
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I think we all know that RC. I just think that had Luke not been there Vader would have never brought balance and so Luke was partly responsible for the balance hence the "fulfilling" part. And who is to say that Luke cannot be more powerful than Anakin? Anakin could be the Choosen One by why can't Luke be more powerful. By saying that Anakin is the most powerful because he is the choosen one is saying that there can never be anyone more powerful than Anakin. I don't think that is true. I just think that it is Anakin's destiny to bring balance that is why is the choosen one, that does not make him the best Jedi. It is possible for Luke or someone else to be more powerful. I mean, if Anakin is so powerful then how is it that Obi-Wan defeated him and knocked him into the Lava pit?
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I just watched that part in the movie, going back to the original question. I've heard in many, many instances how QG was evil underneath, that his intentions in training Anakin were selfishly made and done in haste, and that was why the council was opposed to him. They could all sense something was wrong with the Jedi Master, but non could quite place it, not even Yoda. I think it's for this unforseen "evil" side of QG that the coucil doesn't train Anakin. This scene seems to point to that, it's like the scene in which Palpy smirks as they cut away from him watching the Queen head back to Naboo. Little hints towards what I feel will be major developments in Ep2. Schmi looking very nervous about QG's intrest in her son, while evil music softly plays in what would be a calm scene point towards suspicios things involved. I think in Ep2 Yoda and OB1 will uncover a bombshell about the "true" meaning behind Anakins discover and QG's desperate desire for him to be trained. A big deal will be what happens to Ani when he finds out, and who tells him(palpy?). All this from one scene, but I find it to be VERY interesting meterial for what twists might appear in EP2!
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back to the chosen one. the main theories are that its anakin for destroying the jedi or for destroying palpantine(empire) or even luke for being the one responcible for turning vader and thus killing palpantine. but what if luke is actually the chosen one because he started down the dark path but came back. the empire (sith) are destoyed and the galaxy is left with one jedi who is "balanced"/ goes both ways, so to speak.
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JM: Luke may have been instrumental in help vader redeem himself, but at the end of the day it was Anakins decision to make. Anakin saw what Palpatine was doing to his son and, in my mind, related this to the attrocities throughout the galaxy and thought "NO MORE!" and hence Palpatine meets Reactor in chilling style.
To Xizors point, being selfish does not make QG evil, just misdirected. QG was his own man and appeared to be extremely string willed. I may be wrong, but I don't think we will discover that QG was really evil. He had toomany good and true traits to be evil. IMHO...
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