This speaks volumes, evidently you also have no clue about literature. Go and read some Blake, Heaney, Byron and Coleridge, then top it all off by listening to some Anthrax. I know who I consider more talented.
You've already admitted that you haven't listened to any recent hip hop, what then is the point in this silly debate? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. So, why don't you go out and buy some recent hip hop then come back and start kicking off. I recommend some MF Doom, CunninLynguists and Talib Kweli
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I got an idea. Why don't everyone just listen to what they want and stop trying to convince people to listen to what they like? In my opinion this thread is just asking for trolls, and when they come in people just give them more bait and try and debate with them. I doubt any one who came in to say hip hop and rap sucks are going to actually listen to anyone who tries to debate with them. As for the people who try to actually put reasoning behind it, they probally are so firm in their beliefs that it doesn't matter what you say. Personally I don't like Hip Hop. I have a friend who does, and thats fine. he doesn't like my Progressive rock, and we are both ok with the fact they we have different tastes. Just deal with it and appreciate what you like and stop worrying about what other people think. Highschool mentality doesn't have to last forever.
It's not a problem that people don't like it, there's nothing wrong with that at all. What's a problem is when people either say that it's a talentless genre and that anyone can do it, or consider it subordinate to other genres. They think that because of that self backed up opinion, they know more about what deserves artistic merit, when in fact, they only give said merit to bands or artists they personally like.
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To each his own. I just think it's funny that a topic aimed at Hip Hop haters draws ignorant Hip Hop bashers to it.... Who could have known that would happen? Anyway I'm not trying to argue, I understand where you are coming from, I was just stating my opinion really. Take it for what you will.
Pfft that's not even a REAL message. You got some computer to computerize a message FOR you. Why don't you try actually writing a response, y'know with ink and paper? *******.
Computers are used all the time in music. If you want to be technical here, using a keyboard in a band is using a computer. Also, there's more genres appearing today that are being dedicated to using computers (like Electronica) to create music more so than rap. Using a studio or computer as an instrument does mean it takes less talent. Brian Wilson when putting together all the tracks for Good Vibrations practically used the studio as a cohesive element and people were astounded at what he was able to do. You clearly have NO idea about music, or in this case, rap music, if you can't grasp the level of difficulty it takes to produce using samples, computers, and even real instruments (which rap does do) in making what the consensus of the participators of this thread deem a good rap song.
This too.
Also, HA, I didn't really like that Grimm song, wasn't my thing.
Last edited by Kram3r on Jan 29th, 2008 at 09:32 AM
Not to do the work for the person as far as composing music goes. Not in the least. You have to have musical knowledge to play it. You cant hit random buttons and have a composition waiting for you. Electronica is crap, too. I know. What in god's name are you talking about? No one is talking about going into the studio and recording. What's being discussed is people so musically untalented that they have computers do their composing for them. I've forgotten more about music theory than you will ever know, lol. Missed the point entirely. I'm not arguing about what it takes to make a rap song pleasing to rap fans, I'm talking about the lack of musical talent it takes when a person can use someone else's composition or use a computer to do the work for them compared to the amount of talent it requires to perform it themselves.
WTF? Who is giving you this false information? No one in rap/hip-hop/whatever presses a button and an entire track is presented on a platter. The tracks are put together whether it be from sampled beats strung together or ACTUAL instruments. Also, yes, like it or not a keyboard is a computer. With the types of keyboards that are out today you barely have to know shit to make something sound half decent, that is of course subjective however so is:
If you know it doesn't require less talent to be able to operate a computer or studio why are you debating the issue?
Firstly, computers can't compose, people compose and put it onto computers. Secondly that wasn't the point I was making. The point I was making was that a studio in a lot of ways can be just as vital as a guitar in the process of recording, just like Good Vibrations was more recognized for changing how one makes use of the studio rather than some cool guitar playing.
You're certainly not proving it.
Sampling in Rap music is like heavy distorted guitars in Heavy Metal, it's a recurring motif. Whether or not one has the ability to mix it in probably with other samples or recorded instruments to get the flow needed (especially for people like MF Doom, Kool Keith, etc) is where the talent lies.
Last edited by Kram3r on Jan 29th, 2008 at 01:24 PM
JKS likes to turn up once in a blue moon, rattle his sabre and then leave.
All the while proving nothing. Just ignore him.
We all know that having the ability to CREATE music and come up with it in your mind is no less credible just because you use a computer to make it happen. If he feels otherwise he's an idiot.
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