According to some name dictionaries, this is scandinavian for "the only mighty one", another says it's Old German "the ever-ruler" - whatever it means, it would be "Ertur" in Quenya; there are many possibilities for grey-elvish, I'll list some: Cauner/Ergaun, Eraran, Eriolár, Evrannon, Erdaur (Erdór?) or Erchír - the last is perhaps the best.
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Because Tolkien was a linguist and thus very interested in etymology and so on... all elvish languages have the same roots but are quite different in words and especially grammar, though everything is derived from one "Proto-Eldarin"; it's like in Europe where there are many germanic languages, like English, German, Danish, Norwegian, Swedish and so on and so on, and if you understand one or two the others sound familiar to you though you cant understand everything.
And they werent made to be learned but to make Middle-earth realistic... in fact middle-earth is just the space for the languages to spread their individuality.
They use the same systems, but in variations.
There are three main types of elvish writing - the oldest are the Sarati, then came the Tengwar and the Cirth.
The Sarati are forgotten in Middle-earth and are only used in Valinor. They work in a system likely to that of the Tengwar and also use tehtar for the vowels and are good to be written with a feather, although they're not written from left to right but vertically down. They are not too well-documented.
The next one is the Tengwar-system, invented by the smith Feanor as a further form of the Sarati; they're the letters most people know as "elvish". They were used for the ring-inscription and that on the door of Durin in Eregion; there are modes for practically all languages, including Black Language, the Languages of Men or our modern languages, always with some differences concerning the adaption of the letters for the single sounds. They are supposed to be a phonetic writing, but this fact is often lost, unfortunately, and so there are many ill-looking inscriptions spread on the net. They are created to represent the actual sounds of words, not how they might be originally written in our Latin letters. Like for example the word "knight" - it wouldnt be written k-n-i-g-h-t but n-ai-t (ai being nearly a diphtong, I think), so it's used like the writing you always find in dictionaries for foreign languages after the word in [ ... ].
In Sindarin that doesnt make a real difference, but for languages like English or French it's quite important.
The most important or best-known modes are the "Quenya-mode", the "Noldorin-mode" (used for Sindarin; changing the positions of the vowels and altering some sounds like qu or dh compared to the Quenya-mode), the "Beleriand-mode" (also for Sindarin, but using full letters for the vowels and not only tehtar; also some nasal-changes caused by these vowels) and the "Westron- (or English-)mode" (with letters for sounds like "sh", "ch" and so on). If you learn elvish writing, you'll most probably learn the Noldorin-mode, though it's not the easiest of them.
Finally we also have the Cirth or Runes, used for carving in stone, wood or metal; there are also many different forms for Sindarin, Dwarvish etcetc. The systematical order is similar to that of the Tengwar but they're more pointed and have no round parts so that it's easier to cut them into the materials. They are probably easier than the Tengwar and especially easier to learn as Tolkien gives a whole table inclusive Latin-alphabet- transcriptions, but by far not as beautiful as the Tengwar.
Examples for the Runes are for instance the inscription on Durin's Tomb or half of the lines on the first pages of most LordoftheRings-editions.
So, I think nobody really read these lines... but well... that's the problem, if you try to explain the things the others "really, really, totally seriously" want to learn, nobody will listen to you anymore because all of a sudden everything gets too complicated
Learning "elvish" sounds nice, but is hard work.
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Nice name, ADskinner... Lindir means "singer", but I have no idea what Lólindir is...
I'd alter the "k" in Tulcakelume to "c", they are never together in the same fomr of Quenya (that doesnt change anything in pronounciation)... tulca is, I think, "strong" or "firm" or something....
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Yes; the first link leads to the same page I posted somewhere else (I think in the why-are-the-elves-leaving...-thread), the others are mainly for download and further explanations.
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Linwe Minyatar? I dunno what Linwe is... Minyatar means "first ..."... erm... first... queen? no. please quenya dont leave me... "first father" perhaps? Linwe sounds like Singer or Fish but I dunno what it means
And, I'm sorry, I also have no idea what "Molly" means. Do you know its meaning? Is it related to the Latin word for "soft"?
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Ooops Mary? ok...
There are many translations for this, I've been searching quite long for that, as it's also my name (in the form "Maria")
Sindarin possibilities are "Tarlancwen" or "Tarias"; there's also "Aurél" ("Aurélwen", perhaps) for "morning star" and "Saereth" for "bitter"; The Lapseparma also gives the Quenya translations "Sáre" or "Sárie" and "Nilde". Chose which one you like best
[as some might have perhaps noticed I've already posted that before in nearly exactly the same words ]
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Hey what's the Elven name for Kara? I dunno if it would be in there or not...it's not short for anything...Just Kara. By the way, what site are you doing that on? Oh and can you give me the translation for my name, too? Thankies!!
Phewww ok... first Eugenia... the female form of Greek "Eugene" which means "noble", so LP suggests "Máranóne" for the high-elven form... Sindarin would be "Maeronnen" or "Onnemmae".
Tiffany is the English form of Greek "Theophania", which means "God-to-appear", LP translates it as "Erutanie", greyelven maybe "Rodothien"? "Eruthia"?
Kaitlin is, I think, a form of Katharina which is Greek for "the pure one" or "virgin"; LP suggests Vendea or Vénie, Sindarin maybe "Úwaeniel"? Or "Gweneth", perhaps?
Margaret is Greek (I think) for "pearl"; in the old Qenya lexicon Tolkien mentions the word "Marilla" for pearl, so maybe "Marille", but it's not sure if this is still to be seen the correct form compared to later Quenya. I don't know any Sindarin word for pearl.
Oh, Kara is some form of Italian "Cara" which means "dear" or "precious" ( )... so Sindarin Mílwen, Quenya perhaps "Melde" (I'm not good at Quenya grammar)
Hope that helps
And about how I do that... I have different sites. The most important ones are of course encyclopaedias with the meanings of the names (mostly "VNL" which is "Vornamenlexikon"). I know only few (like Mary, Margaret, Melanie, Catherine) by heart Ok then I have some Sindarin and Quenya dictionaries to translate the words I don't know and look up some grammar; and finally for some Quenya names I also needed the Quenya Lapseparma (LP), a site that provides different Quenya translations for names. Very useful as my Quenya is really weak.
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lol i hate to ask cos exa is seeming a bit stressed but what about
Thomas Vale
Thomas i think is greek for twin and vale well is a big grassy thingy but yeah
Thomas Vale
thanks for whoever does it
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melissa is greek for honeybee and yeah well a castle is a castle
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is some form of Italian "Cara" which means "dear" or "precious" ( 
Ok then I have some Sindarin and Quenya dictionaries to translate the words I don't know and look up some grammar; and finally for some Quenya names I also needed the Quenya Lapseparma (LP), a site that provides different Quenya translations for names. Very useful as my Quenya is really weak.
