But you can't really think like that either. Because Naruto took out Kabuto after he took out Tsunade, and Tsunade is doing just as well against Madara as A is. But you wouldn't argue that Naruto was in the league of the kage, would you?
No, but remember how he got Kabuto- let Kabuto hit him, grab the attack, thus nullifying Kabuto's speed.
Speed is not the end-all-and-be-all. It's very useful, but not a god stat. A counter-puncher strategy lets a slower person fight and threaten a faster one, if they have the skill, or in some cases like Naruto, the toughness, to pull it off.
Since it's doesn't determine the outcome of battles in most cases we also have to conclude that the difference in speed isn't that great.
I don't keep track on the calculations for the speed of characters in Naruto, but if someone is twice as fast and agile as someone else then that should be what determines the battle. Real life martial artists evade hits, and they're definitelly not twice as fast as eachother.
Yea, most of the time it's not a matter of multiples of each other's speed, but in this case it can be a matter of "personal A is twice as fast, but Person B has high defense/ more skill/ a trap/ a homing attack/whatever that makes up for it. Or since it's often a fight at a distance, use good timing and a sense of space to hit them when they charge in (which is how Sage Naruto clone beat the 3rd Raikage despite his speed)."
And I would say, twice as fast pretty much always does not mean twice as agile. Speed is mostly increase in pure acceleration ability. Reaction time and agility increase much slower.
If it wasn't for his teleportation that allows Minato to get in before people can judge his timing, and get out once they start to, even Minato's blitz tactic wouldn't be nearly so strong.
It's noteworthy that two of the characters who rely on super high speed also have a means to make sure it comes from an unexpected angle (Haku, Minato), and the various Raikage pair their speed with a very high defense.
Yea, and a large part of that isn't just his speed, but the fact you don't know where it's coming from.
If you knew exactly where he was coming in, you'd have a chance of getting the timing right. But odds are you don't, and he actually wants you to think he's coming from the kunai on the left when really there's one in a tree branch you didn't even notice...
A while back, I posted link's to a guy named Y Ruler of Time and his review about Bleach. I agreed with a lot of his points but not all of them but in general it wasn't bad. Come to find out he is part of something else, a Weekly Manga Recap on the site. And....I just don't like the program. It's two guys on Skype talking about manga. They don't even have a background image. It's apparently a podcast, and I'm not familiar with those but as a video, it's just boring. I'm not kidding when I say I got more enjoyment out of reading conversations between Q99 and NemeBro about Negima(at least there I'm obligated to do something, i.e read the post). So why am I ranting about these guys here? Well...they are of an opinion concerning a certain aspect of Naruto that I don't agree with and it's a detriment to whatever entertainment I was getting from the show.
That of course being the Sharingan. Look, I'll be honest: I liked the Sharingan. I've never disliked the Sharingan. I thought it had a neat design and some cool powers. Do I see the problems with it? Of course. But at the same time I can't help but thinking Kishi kinda wrote himself into the mess. The Sharingan's base powers and even the early MS techs make sense and flow with the story. However, somewhere along the line Kishi decided to have an Uchiha(Madara/Tobi/whatever) be the Big Bad. Coupled this with the fact that a Shonen story generally progresses in terms of powerscale and the fact that Sasuke was going to become a much bigger part in the story, overpowering the Sharingan was basically inevitable. And while it could obviously have been done better, I sympathize with Kishi and understand how he got into this. He's trying to please his fans with an exciting story and he's done the best he could with the direction he had to take it, due to the story he wanted to tell. I still like it and even if I see the Sharingan's problems, I can't say they're dealbreakers for me.
The problem with these guys is they're so butthurt about the Sharingan. And it annoys me when my entertainment focuses on complaining about an obvious problem ****ing endlessly. You can only say "I hate Magic Eyeballs" so many times before you're just sick of it. And it gets to the point where genuinely good things in the story, like the twist in Naruto 559 when Madara is revealed as being the person in the coffin, is called stupid. And the only justification given is because Madara is related to the Uchiha and therefore nothing about it can be good. Never mind that the reveal was a huge deal when it happened.
The Kicker? They usually talk about One Piece first. Fair enough, no one really cares about the order. Until...they basically just started skipping the discussion about One Piece...which, if you don't know, was in the worst arc One Piece has ever had at the time. And they just skip it. Nevermind the fact that the Fishmen Island arc was poorly paced, poorly written, had shitty action, the worst villain of the HST, and ultimately amounted to nothing. I would much rather hear complaints about THAT than about the ****ing Sharingan. Because those discussions can amount to things. They can benefit the viewer far more than complaining about the Sharingan week after week. And the complaints don't change. They can't change because the Sharingan has been ridiculous since ****ing Susano'o. The complaint is just going to get more fuel. And the only benefit that the viewer can get from it is "How to not deal with your characters powers." From the Fishmen Island arc, you can basically see "How NOT to write a story." It's a bit better.
To wrap up, I'm only complaining here because it's entertaining and it gives me a chance to vent. It also helps me think of story elements, which interests me of course. And hey, if you want to get entertainment out of this TL;DR, read the words with a funny voice. That's what I do with you.
Course, if you think I'm just a butthurt fanboy(I am but whatever) then inwardly facepalm at this or just ignore it.
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Last edited by AuraAngel on Jun 5th, 2012 at 07:42 AM
Yea, I get tired of that too. Especially since, well, what do you expect to happen now? That Kishimoto will just up and erase the powers he's already shown? That he's going to just not show *any* new powers, even though pretty much every new power is related to an old one in some respect and he's even mentioned that there's other powers we haven't seen?
The genie was out of the bottle a long time ago.
The people here aren't too bad about it, but in some other places it's like, "C'mon, this is not news. Itachi introduced that the eye had super hax powers way back in part 1, and the new ones really aren't any more hax than those ones, just different. You don't have to like it, but please stopped being shocked about it."
the problem with "magic eyeballs" is that the ninja part of the manga goes out the window in exchange for a guy standing there spamming magic from his face. sasuke isn't even training anymore, he just needed hate this whole time...... get the phuck out, kishi
madara is the ultimate example of this. that mofo is more like a dr. strange villain than a ninja
one piece is clearly the best of the big 3, it has more power than the others but the soul of the manga is still perfectly intact
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Last edited by psycho gundam on Jun 5th, 2012 at 08:18 PM
Indeed. But my biggest issue I think is that I'm watching this video to be entertained. I enjoy reading manga and hearing discussions on them. But I really don't like it when my entertainment, which is already lackluster to begin with, is just rehashing the same complaint over and over again. To the point where they let it overshadow objectively good parts about the series.
It's not like it's hard to have fun complaining about the Sharingan. Create a Sharingan counter(every time a new power is revealed, add 1) or make a Sharingan Drinking Game(every time a new power is revealed, take a shot. Two if it makes no sense). The only good joke I heard concerning the Sharingan was they pondered how Sasuke could even see.
Sasuke: "I'm going to defeat you! All...7 of you..."
That was kinda funny.
It's not like we saw Sasuke doing a crap ton of training before the timeskip either. As for training now...how does one even beginning training with techs that make you go blind? And well...the ninja aspect has never really had much of an impact on the fights(with some exceptions) but rather character behavior outside the fight.
One Piece is very good and objectively might be the best(never really dug deep and analyzed it fully). However, I would disagree about Naruto's soul not being in tact. Naruto's heart and soul has always been the relationship between him and Sasuke, for better or for worse. That part is still relatively intact.
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Last edited by AuraAngel on Jun 5th, 2012 at 08:27 PM
Also, Aura, I did facepalm at your rant. Not because you are a butthurt fanboy, no, we love you in spite of that , but because apparently, you continue to listen to them.
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Last edited by Demonic Phoenix on Jun 5th, 2012 at 08:29 PM
I only listened cause I wanted to hear what they had to say about Madara's reveal...and unfortunately, the videos aren't titled in a conventional way. So I had to skip through a lot of them.
"So we're here and Naruto has been talking about 'Who could possibly be under that mask', which has gone on far too long.'"
When they recapped Chapter 560. I did facepalm there.
the manga just seems like a waste right now, this war isn't even up to anyone's expectations.
i think there is something behind the scenes we are unaware of as to why kishi is rushing through the manga at this pace
you edited the bit about part II. i agree, just look at tsunade's chackra stock super boost all of a sudden. one minute she does creation rebirth and turns into a hag, next she heals almost a complete village of people and just goes into a short coma, then she has an even better version of the technique and she's going all out
even kakashi doesn't seem to tire out anymore. those two years were really good to him
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